Murdered a WRX on the Highway

[LinuxRacr]

and while I'm at it... since Linux boy is all super modded out, i'll pit my car against his too...

the result will of course be:

su -
rm -rf /home/LinuxRacr
ps -aux |grep -i linuxracr
killall (insert linuxracr parent pid here)
mkdir /home/WRXownedJ00
vi /etc/fstab
o
/dev/realcar /home/WRXownedJ00 iso9660, defaults, ro 1 2
ZZ
mount -a
hostname "WRXownedJ00"
echo "WRXownedJ00 127.0.0.1" >/etc/hosts
rm -rf /boot/lilo
rm -rf /boot/grub
echo "" > /root/.bash_history
history -c
init 6


the end result?.... I think you get the picture - OWNED.

-blaze

This boy talks much s*** without reading the facts well. Lets get to the point:

su -
rm -rf /home/WRXownedJ00
ps -aux |grep -i WRXownedJ00
killall (insert WRXownedJ00's parent pid here)
hostname This_guy_is_phucking_arrogant
ping -f -l 9600 (insert blazerex's hostname here)

Time to re-install, and restore from the latest full backup+incrementals.

 

[javy212]

Just wanted to clarify somethings:
WRX: skidpad-.82g
Slalom - 66.8 mph

MP3: Skidpad: .90g
Slalom : 70.2mph

.08g is a big difference, and 4 mph is an even bigger difference. As i said in my previous post, Linux's story is definitely possible. I am a huge wrx fan, so much so that I'm gonna go get one. and although the wrx is straight out faster, the MP3 will whip it in a cornering situation, espeically at speed. The MP3 is more stable, and even if the WRX can outhandle it in a highway speed situation, the MP3 is such a confidence inspiring ride that you feel comfortable pushing it to its limits whereas the WRX doesn't do that as much. So Blazerex, let it be known that noone in here will argue that the WRX is a phat car deserving of much praise. But as MP3 owners we know our stregths and our weaknesses. I would drive my car at speed with a porsche or ferrari on an off-ramp any day of the week and keep tight with it, let alone a wrx.

 

[Sean]

It's all driver, period. Regarding AutoX times my 137HP Impreza 2.2 wagon (no turbo) beat a Protege 5 in raw time. Posting a single autocross result doesn't really prove that the Protege 3 is better than a WRX. I guess that, by that logic, my Impreza 2.2 is better than a WRX since I beat the Protege 5 at a single autocross!

G 3 186 Lau, Alex 2002 Mazda Protege5 98.795 96.545 101.191 97.172 101.798 95.698 107.685 Best: Morning: 96.545 Afternoon: 95.698 Average: 96.122

I 9 47 Sosik-Hamor, Sean 1998 Subaru Impreza 2.2 OBS 98.124 99.413 95.481 94.252 95.878 96.830 93.629 Best: Morning: 94.252 Afternoon: 93.629 Average: 93.941

There is no cone | The Trunkmonkey is in a coma
Trunkmonkey Racing | sean@trunkmonkey.com | What is a Trunkmonkey?

 

[Syzygy]

...(snip)...my 137HP Impreza 2.2 wagon (no turbo) beat a Protege 5 in raw time...(snip)...

So I take it you don't own a Mazda, you're just here to talk s**t.

Cool! Since this is your first (and probably only) post, welcome, Sean!

 

[manuel]

well finally.....some people started replying, goodness i was getting tired of replying with mumbo jumbo....

 

[javy212]

When it really comes down to it, in any race, it's gonna be the driver. So while it does seem like sean has come around intending to ruffle some feathers, he makes a very valid point in this conversation.

 

[LinuxRacr]

When it really comes down to it, in any race, it's gonna be the driver. So while it does seem like sean has come around intending to ruffle some feathers, he makes a very valid point in this conversation.

I agree.

 

[LinuxRacr]

By the way, this is not a thread about any car being better, it was about a race!:mad:

 

[blazerex]

Actual auto-cross times mean jack. I have been autocrossing for almost 4 years, and I still suck. In fact I suck so badly that I am back to running novice this year .... My car deifnitely would put me in street mod simply by modification alone, yet that being said a good driver in a stock WRX still beats me. As any auto-crosser knows the key to auto crossing is good driving, not horse power. Sure HP and traction help, but only if you can drive it.

I Also notice you were beat by a 99 camaro, a saturn SC2, well 2 of them in fact.

As far as getting a car that is "common place" - this is all relative. 16000 2002 WRX's were made. I own a blaze yellow one, one of 425 limited editions. Mine happens to be a standard, now it's down to one of 200. I have a custom sunroof, 18" 13lb forged alloys - I guarantee my car is one of a kind.

 

[Sean]

When it really comes down to it, in any race, it's gonna be the driver. So while it does seem like sean has come around intending to ruffle some feathers, he makes a very valid point in this conversation.

No, someone simply posted on i-club.com that a Protege 3 driver "owned" a WRX. I hit the thread to see if it was something that happened at an accurately timed track event. Turns out that it was some kid driving recklessly at well over 100 MPH on an onramp doing what sounds like an illegal pass on a one lane ramp.

After reading the standard "my car is bigger than your car" crap comparing a 150whatever HP 2WD Protege 3 to a 230whatever HP AWD WRX I realized that someone added a few inches to the story. I was fully prepared to simply ignore the thread completely until the "my Protege beat a WRX at the autocross so the WRX is crap" post.

I simply felt the need to post a single response stating that competition driving is 100% driver. I routinely kick WRX drivers' asses in my 137 HP Impreza 2.2 wagon at rallycross and autocross events. I know they can own me in a straight line and I don't pretend that my car is faster. But, under certain circumstances, my skill is better to the point of pulling faster lap times at New Hampshire International Speedway than some of the WRX and Porsche drivers.

So, it doesn't matter what the car is...it's all driver. Now, am I saying that the driver who originally posted this thread is a better driver? No, I won't even go there. Illegal 100+ MPH maneuvers on an onramp on public roads? Yeah...I won't even comment on that.

 

[LinuxRacr]

So, it doesn't matter what the car is...it's all driver.

Not always, but most of the time. Better suspension, and tires can definitely help.

Now, am I saying that the driver who originally posted this thread is a better driver? No, I won't even go there.
Illegal 100+ MPH maneuvers on an onramp on public roads? Yeah...I won't even comment on that.

Yeah, don't!

One more thing, this is NOT a thread about my MP3 being better than anyone else's car, it is however me telling what I experienced one day. People need to read more carefully! Don't believe the hype!!!:mad:

 

[Sean]

Not always, but most of the time. Better suspension, and tires can definitely help.

Yes, they help, but they contribute far less to the performance of a vehicle than most people think. Get a professional or seasoned driver in a bone stock WRX on the stock crappy RE92 tires and soft suspension and he will more than likely beat the novice driver, even if the novice driver has a modified WRX with race tires and tuned suspension. This has been shown time and time again at all of the autocross, rallycross and track events I've shown up at.

However, tires and suspension contribute greatly when both drivers are of the same skill level or when comparing raw statistics. For example, the skid pad rating that was posted before. What kind of tires come stock on the MP3 and the MP5? The WRX comes with the crappy Bridgestone RE92s that break free extremely quickly under cornering. So, raw skid pad numbers will be skewed by tire and suspension choice. However, on the track, an experienced driver on stock tires can still beat a novice driver on race tires.

100% driver, 0% car. Case in point...Team O'Neil rallycross, a dude in a 3 banger Subaru Justy with less than a hundred horsepower ran stage times that were three seconds faster than everyone else and kicked the crap out of the WRXs, VWs, Audis and fully prepared ProRally cars. Again, Team O'Neil rallycross, a guy in a bone stock Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS on street tires was running 10 seconds faster than everyone else...again including the same batch of Audis, WRXs and ProRally cars.

BMWCCA ice racing series...I pulled second place in AWD snow tire class for the season in my virtually stock Impreza 2.2 (only had intake, bigger brakes, swaybars and short shifter, all of which do nothing on ice) and beat out the guys in the AWD WRXs, AWD Porsches, AWD BMWs, AWD Audis, etc. The only guy in my class who was pulling consistently faster times than me was a professional ice racer who, after kicking my ass in his stock WRX, proceeded to go out and kick my ass in a RWD BMW as well.

On a side note, a guy in another class driving a Miata on all season tires (not even snow tires) pulled faster stage times than me on two or three stages even though my stage time were good for a class win. Again, 100% driver, 0% car.

One more thing, this is NOT a thread about my MP3 being better than anyone else's car, it is however me telling what I experienced one day. People need to read more carefully! Don't believe the hype!!!:mad:

Correct, your original post was not about your MP3 being better than the WRX, however some of the people who replied turned it into that by posting stats and autocross times of WRXs getting beaten by the MP3. I just figured I'd chime in.

So, on that note, I leave you with this:

Not a very good pic, but he showed up to the ice races this year and did quite well for his first season out on the ice.

 

[BigBlue]

Ok first off especially since I'm the one who posted the autoX times and I wasn't trying to come off the wrong way but obviously stuff happens.

This was originally posted by blazerex

Or to call someones bluff, let's take bone stock MP3s and bone stock WRX and run em at an auto-cross, I'll pay the entry fees, but when the MP3 loses you have to pay me back for both.... any takers?

Ok so you started with the smack talk about how the WRX would kick the crap outta the MP3....if it was done by the same driver...yeah probably it would log a faster time. I'm not so sure the times would be a huge difference tho...in autocross. The PAX time conversion for the two different classes in my area are very close to one another.

I Also notice you were beat by a 99 camaro, a saturn SC2, well 2 of them in fact.

Yup I was beat by a bunch of cars. I am a novice driver...only have about a 1/2 dozen races under my belt. Maybe my times will improve hopefully as I get more seat time. Oh and those Saturn drivers....full respect to them....they are both amazing drivers and they have both said once they got R-compounds it was like night and day....probably the biggest reason I want a set, but will likely wait till I'm a better driver.

"my Protege beat a WRX at the autocross so the WRX is crap" post.

Ok this is where I get a bit cheesed off tho. I try to post at all times with respect and don't appreciate when people just make stuff up. I beat one WRX and was using that as an example that just because you have a WRX doesn't make you impossible to beat anywhere. It exactly does have a lot to do with driver.
As a matter of fact, the very first line where I'm apparently calling the WRX "crap" reads:

The WRX is a bad ass car no doubt about it

and I even go on to say how I'd have bought one myself if I had the money. So in the future at least be fair when discussing stuff and don't make things up.

I simply felt the need to post a single response stating that competition driving is 100% driver.

Just one last note...it is not 100% driver. I have had the opportunity to drive other vehicles....my ex-gf had a Honda Civic...and altho I never autocrossed it, I did do things like take turns fast. There is no way I felt able to make those turns at the same speeds I could in the MP3(or a WRX). Yeah a good driver can win against novice drivers in a slower car. But if you give that same good driver a faster/better handling car...you can't tell me he will not go faster still. If you had the perfect driver and he drove the MP3 and WRX to the limit in autoX, by all logic I believe the WRX should win...so use that as a quote if you want. I was not bashing the WRX at all.

 

[LinuxRacr]

The ice race photo is a trip! Sean, thanks for the clarity, and the fact that you are NOT being a .......!

 

[javy212]

My purpose in posting the skidpad times was just to illustrate that Linux's story was in fact possible. Someone thrwe up a BS flag and I just stated that the idea of an MP3 out-dooing a WRX in this situation isn't outrageous.

the skid pad rating that was posted before. What kind of tires come stock on the MP3 and the MP5? The WRX comes with the crappy Bridgestone RE92s that break free extremely quickly under cornering.

I'm well aware of this and actually in my very first post in this thread i made this exceedingly clear:

The WRX suspension is fairly mushy (but i've ridden on one with a thicker sway bar set and a strut bar and it rivals mp3 with those mods). Also, the stock WRX tires SUCK!!! I mean they suck.

And while this thread isn't about one car being better than the other, I have to say that the WRX is probably a better car in general. Gotta love the MP3 tho

Nothin but Luv!

 

[cjstringer]

Posting a single autocross result doesn't really prove that the Protege 3 is better than a WRX.

Well, as a WRX lover myself, I'll still post that the MP3 kicks ass in AutoX. Check any of the events I've been to. You'll be hard pressed to find a WRX beating me. It may be driver to some extent, but this is my first year. I'm a rookie. Some of these guys have been at it for years. WRX, great for power and rallies, not so great on a solid surface. JMHO

Linux, I'm with ya. Understood from the beginning. Some people just can't read.