msp vs. spec V 04'

well, we raced tonight and he took me off the line but on the go i pulled on him, we started at 30 mph and then hit it. it was a good race. we'll see what happens after some new tires.
 
funnylittlman said:
Some dude in a Silver Spec (02) was tryin to mess with me next friday.. flicking his lights and being gay.

I just let him pass.... how are you suppose to race in bumper to bumper traffic? I had about 1 car lenght in front of me the whole time, and he had that and maybe a little more.

G A Y ! :D

BTW, Boost is right, stock for stock it's a driver's race
I had the same thing happen to me today, but it was an SRT-4. I cannot believe how he had no disregaurd for anybody safety. (uhm) We were in bumper to bumper traffic, fog, heavy rain and I had 4 people in the car one of them being my 4 yr old son. At first I gave him a thumbs up to let him know " yes, I know what an SRT-4 is", but he didn't care. He kept fighting to stay next to me and was constantly rev'ing his engine and that "let's race" stuff .

Two of my passengers were like "what is he doing, pull over and we'll kick his ass real fast" Them both being 6'2" it would have not been a problem, but I was like "no he will get bored and leave" . I could understand their feelings due to the guy creating a hazard with his actions and disregaurd for others on the road.

Apoc

Anyway thought I would share my story...
 
Wow, you guys are pretty cool about respecting other cars! As a Spec-V owner I am still an MSP fan, in fact a good friend of mine has a Black 2003. VERY nice car. The level of refinement is obvious through the interior, exterior, and especially the paint (any Spec owner will testify to that). The sound system is great, and the handling is nothing but exceptional. Nice car for the money, sometimes wish i would have bought one! But, i'm happy with the Spec-V.


Anyways, back on topic.

The MY04 Spec-V's run similar 1/4 Mile traps to the MY03, and a bit better than the MY02. However, they are responding to bolt ons much better than the previous models, a guy on B15sentra.net ran a 14.4 @ 96ish mph with just exhaust and intake. The reason for this is mostly because of a knock sensor that is not overly sensitive. On the other hand, the 04s are FUGLY. And yes, the B15 twist beam rear suspension is known for the ability to 3-wheel, i do it all the time during Solo2 events.


Stock for stock, it will indeed be a driver's race, and since i cannot speculate on the capabilities of a modded MSP, i wont even compare it to a modded Spec-V. I'm just not sure what kind of numbers some people on here are making. Oh well.


Again, kudos to you guys for being a lot cooler than most other new sport compact owners, namely the folk over at clubRSX. If anyone has any questions regarding the Spec-V feel free to ask!

-Phil
 
Hey Phil,

I see that you have the Nismo cams on your Spec-V. What kind of gains can one expect from this mod? My buddy with the 02 Spec-V already has intake/exhaust and a gutted precatalytic. He wants to do this next. What do you think?
 
first off, your buddy needs a header, that "gutted precat" doesnt sound good. do you mean the secondary? if he hacked away at his precat, do a compression check ASAP, it will most definitely be breaking apart.

the cams are great, i suggest the JWT though. they have slightly more duration, good for 2-3whp over the nismo's. and theyre considerably cheaper. all in all, it gives the spec-v the top end it never came with, an extremely worthy mod. with intake, exhaust, header, cams, and a set of motor mounts, your friend would be good for solid mid-low 14's, so long as he can drive it. it's a tricky install, but well worth it. tell him to get them from www.hpautoworks.com , they are excellent people, and will work with him on pricing as well.

-Phil
 
Yell03SpecV said:
Wow, you guys are pretty cool about respecting other cars! As a Spec-V owner I am still an MSP fan, in fact a good friend of mine has a Black 2003. VERY nice car. The level of refinement is obvious through the interior, exterior, and especially the paint (any Spec owner will testify to that). The sound system is great, and the handling is nothing but exceptional. Nice car for the money, sometimes wish i would have bought one! But, i'm happy with the Spec-V.


Anyways, back on topic.

The MY04 Spec-V's run similar 1/4 Mile traps to the MY03, and a bit better than the MY02. However, they are responding to bolt ons much better than the previous models, a guy on B15sentra.net ran a 14.4 @ 96ish mph with just exhaust and intake. The reason for this is mostly because of a knock sensor that is not overly sensitive. On the other hand, the 04s are FUGLY. And yes, the B15 twist beam rear suspension is known for the ability to 3-wheel, i do it all the time during Solo2 events.


Stock for stock, it will indeed be a driver's race, and since i cannot speculate on the capabilities of a modded MSP, i wont even compare it to a modded Spec-V. I'm just not sure what kind of numbers some people on here are making. Oh well.


Again, kudos to you guys for being a lot cooler than most other new sport compact owners, namely the folk over at clubRSX. If anyone has any questions regarding the Spec-V feel free to ask!

-Phil
Lol, thanks for being one of the good guys. Theres still stuff we don't like over here. Me personally am disgusted by Hondas, (gun) Good to know some people that own other brands visit the board. Kudos to you, sir.
 
Yell03SpecV said:
first off, your buddy needs a header, that "gutted precat" doesnt sound good. do you mean the secondary? if he hacked away at his precat, do a compression check ASAP, it will most definitely be breaking apart.

I mean the the catalytic converter that's integrated to the stock exhaust manifold not the one in the midpipe. He cleaned that one up. Why would doing that cause the main catalytic to fail?, or his engine for that matter? Assuming he did a god job of cleaning everything up, I don't see what the damage would be.

In any case when we took the upstream o2 sensor off to check things we found that the precat element was starting to fail. IMO, having that desintegrate back into his engine, or going down the exhaust and clogging the secondary cat would do real damage.
 
the precat fails due to an overly rich condition, where fuel is being literally dumped into the manifold. it gets ignited by hot exhaust temps at high rpm, and the material breaks apart, and gets sucked in from valve overlap.


removing the material will cause a flow path that will rob him of power, looking like this:
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he should buy a header anyways, it's the best mod for the $$
 
Yell03SpecV said:
stupid repreentation of flow, the forum wont allow me to put spaces in

just trust me, lol

I can see turbulence being created in the empty canister and may be that could affect exhaust gas flow and hence have an adverse effect on perfomance. Is this what you mean?

Of course without real power numbers before and after, this is all speculation. The butt dyno and before and after gtech runs seem to show consistent real, albeit slight, improvements in performance, but who knows. Thanks for the heads up though.
 
Yell03SpecV said:
g-tech is very inaccurate for cars running high 14s to low 16s. unless it is the new version.
It depends on what you mean by innacurate. If you mean innacurate when compared to real dragstrip times, then yes. But when used as a reference tool to rate the effect of mods it can be very useful.

BTW, I can get almost identical results on the same stretch of road, under the same conditions, with the same launch technique, every time. Wether or not those times reflect what the car would do on a dragstrip is an entirely different subject. But to measure acceleration improvements between mods it can be pretty accurate within itself.
 

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