Msp Or Ms3

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

yeah, i agree with the new cars sucking, the EVO is growing on me but the STI (pukey)(puke)

BTW, when is your car going to be done, it's being built by Manuel right?

yeah.. it's about to be done. Just Waiting for the Custom Big Brake Kit. and I Would love to see a MS3 Owner, EVO, STI, or SRT-4 what they got to say to me when my s*** it's done.. Im not sweating my s*** or trying to be a bad ass here, but My Purpose is beign Happy with my car, and Proof others these cars are not a peace of s***, and with money you can make them a true Freaking Monster, in Every Aspect, Appearance, Performance, Confort, Racing Etc... I hate when people don't ******* believe in the capabilities of these little cars... s***. Look at Pirana's, JOKA's.... Gime a ******* break, will you change those cars for a MS3 ? you got be smoking some expired s*** if you do..

 

[shamrock]

I respect your Opinion, but thats your Opinion. Suspension, and Braking the MS3 it's better ?, you got to be Kidding buddie. there is a day and night difference between braking and handling about the MSP against the MS3, and let me tell you something, By Discontinuing the MSP to produce the MS3 don't mean it's better.. Automobile Manufactures are recently ******* the market up with the s*** they are producing, Don't tell me the RX-7 its not 10000000000 times better in every aspect than the Useless Junk RX-8 ? what about the Supra ? C ' mon men.. don't focus in just the power, that MS3 It's ******* heavier than the msp, i've been in a Track inside a MS3, and then in my MSP, and let me tell you something men.. Even Stevie Wonder will Noticed which car is which by the way each other handles and brakes, and corners. yes MSP came up weak with the engine internals, but also was the Idea of mazdaspeed Production Car to exist. the MSP has nothing that Some Descent money can't fix.. the Exterior of the MSP it's way light years better than the MS3, even a Regular Protege ES looks better than a Regular 3...

C'mon how can you say that that the MS3 cant handle as good as your MSP. Did you ever see the vid on Edmonds with the 2-08 WRX's, MSP, NSX. The MS3 pulls almost the same g as the STI. And you can not say the MSP will hand with and STI in the corners. I will admit that the MS3 is heavier,3180-2850lbs about 330lbs. But the MS3 also packs 93 more hp and 120lbs more Tq. 263hp-170hp and 280tq-160tq Now those are some big differences in numbers. So tell me how does the MSP outpreform the MS3(uhm)

Dont get me wrong I really like the MSP. But in all honesty I do think that the MS3 will run away from the MSP. Think of it as a 2001 Cobra compared to a 2003-4 Cobra(drive2)

 

[fr0st]

weight is enemy #1 for handling.. that 3-400 pounds will certainly not help you in corners..

 

[Rush]

The MSP looks like it is a nock off of the 04-05 WRX. You take off your MSP body kit and then tell me how good looking your car is(rlaugh).

How you can say that a MSP even remotely resembles that generation of WRX is beyond my comprehension. An EVO, perhaps. But a WRX? Absolutely not.

And saying that a regular Protege is unappealing .. If we're going to take that perspective, strip the EVO down to a baseline Lancer and strip an STi down to a baseline WRX. My vote would still go to the Protege.

Then again, that's only my opinion. To each their own.

As far as performance? That depends on your definition of 'performance'. If you're talking about straightline speed performance, then the MS3 wins. If you're talking about handling performance, such as taking corners, then the MSP wins without a doubt.

 

[shamrock]

How you can say that a MSP even remotely resembles that generation of WRX is beyond my comprehension. An EVO, perhaps. But a WRX? Absolutely not.

And saying that a regular Protege is unappealing .. If we're going to take that perspective, strip the EVO down to a baseline Lancer and strip an STi down to a baseline WRX. My vote would still go to the Protege.

Then again, that's only my opinion. To each their own.

As far as performance? That depends on your definition of 'performance'. If you're talking about straightline speed performance, then the MS3 wins. If you're talking about handling performance, such as taking corners, then the MSP wins without a doubt.

How can you say it out handles it. Like I said before when the MS3 was tested it pulled almost the same amount of g's as an STI(bow)
Could your MSP hang with an STI in the twisties, maybe, but not like a MS3

If you took off the fender flares and hood scoop(04-05 wrx) it would look almost just like a MSP(lol2)

Rush---hasen't your boyfriend taught you anything about cars............I'm just kidding

 

[Buca]

Ouch someone saying "RUSH" doesn't know anything about cars. Hell I wish my Girlfriend was 1/10 into cars and had her knowledge as much as "RUSH" does.

Can anyone tell I'm shooting for brownie points...(drive2)

 

[shamrock]

Ouch someone saying "RUSH" doesn't know anything about cars. Hell I wish my Girlfriend was 1/10 into cars and had her knowledge as much as "RUSH" does.

Can anyone tell I'm shooting for brownie points...(drive2)

Like I said at the bottom of my post, I was j/k. It seems like she has a good knowledge about cars(drinks)

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Bump for RUSH,,,, sweet ass MSP, and lots of knowledge about cars in here cutie Face.... Definately Rush,, MSP are Way Better in Handling, Cornering and Braking than the MS3, I've raced BWM M3 SMG in Cornering and high speed curves, they don't even get close to me. I have raced also srt's sti's and evos, and let me tell you they don't impress me in anything, speed, torque, and handling... MSP are just a better car than them. considering we are older and with a weak engine. like i said descent money in the engine and a little better suspension, no known enemies out there for theses cars. so sad that people don't believe in these little cars.. Proteges have been the all time best compact car ever... if mazda were still making the Proteges we'll still be the best sport compact car out there. that's why the MS3 is suppously is the best, cause they are not taking in consideration the Proteges since they don't make them anymore. I've been in Sti's and Evos, and the interior aint all that s*** people thinks. I love My MSP and i'll never change it for any other car outthere no matter how fast and expensive they are

 

[D-rock240]

I'm biased, I prefer the MSP look to any 3. And handling wise, the MSP has my vote. The MS3's are so fast stock though...

 

[CantCMe]

To me if you put the cost in it, the msp wins. How much was it brand new, about $18k? That was a steal in '02-03. Man, they want $30k for a ms3 GT!!! Whoa, that's expensive...I mean, if I'm spendin' that much for a car, I'm not even purchasing ANYTHING in the sports compact segment.

 

[tsunami]

its not a 30k car come on guys...

also the brakes in the ms3 are one of the things that every review of it have raved about... and the handling it pulls some where around .89g on a skid pad out of the box... seriously people... with just a tmic upgrade and a cai people are gaining close to 30whp or something silly like that it seems like a very mod friendly car i don't really understand the hate towards it in those departments... the looks now those are totaly subjective so to each their own..

 

[CantCMe]

its not a 30k car come on guys...

also the brakes in the ms3 are one of the things that every review of it have raved about... and the handling it pulls some where around .89g on a skid pad out of the box... seriously people... with just a tmic upgrade and a cai people are gaining close to 30whp or something silly like that it seems like a very mod friendly car i don't really understand the hate towards it in those departments... the looks now those are totaly subjective so to each their own..

No hate here, but unless my eyes are bad, when I looked at the sticker, and that things read $30, 249, which I think is crazy. I'm not in my teens, or my early 20's, and numbers do impress me to a point, but I'm not paying $30k for a hatchback...can't do it. For that amount I'll grab something in another segment, like a G37 or something...just more my taste in a car in that price range. More than likely I can talk the dealer down, but the price is kinda a put-off-for me.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

No hate here, but unless my eyes are bad, when I looked at the sticker, and that things read $30, 249, which I think is crazy. I'm not in my teens, or my early 20's, and numbers do impress me to a point, but I'm not paying $30k for a hatchback...can't do it. For that amount I'll grab something in another segment, like a G37 or something...just more my taste in a car in that price range. More than likely I can talk the dealer down, but the price is kinda a put-off-for me.

Yow B.I.G... theres no need to spend $ 30k in a MS3, or get a G37 you already got a sick ass platform, even better if is paid off.. fix your s*** nice and be unique,,, there is no need to get in more car payments when after you sign the papers and that s*** looses around $ 4-6k right there.. **** that.. mazdas in the market are worth nothing, you buy that s*** for $ 30k and a few months later that s*** is worth less than half. so why get into another insane ass payment plan when you can spend $ 2,5, 7k and make your s*** nice and paid off.... you know what's makes me feel good men ? beign at a light next to any other car, Evo, Sti's MS3, and i look at them, saying.. I got a sweet ass ride and ITS PAID OFF buddies.... that s*** is definately Priceless.. good luck with MS3 owners and their insane ass car prices and payments at month.... !!!!!!

 

[CantCMe]

Yow B.I.G... theres no need to spend $ 30k in a MS3, or get a G37 you already got a sick ass platform, even better if is paid off.. fix your s*** nice and be unique,,, there is no need to get in more car payments when after you sign the papers and that s*** looses around $ 4-6k right there.. **** that.. mazdas in the market are worth nothing, you buy that s*** for $ 30k and a few months later that s*** is worth less than half. so why get into another insane ass payment plan when you can spend $ 2,5, 7k and make your s*** nice and paid off.... you know what's makes me feel good men ? beign at a light next to any other car, Evo, Sti's MS3, and i look at them, saying.. I got a sweet ass ride and ITS PAID OFF buddies.... that s*** is definately Priceless.. good luck with MS3 owners and their insane ass car prices and payments at month.... !!!!!!

Nothing wrong with that, but for me and my ride I think eventually I'm gonna need to get something bigger. I got 3 kids and when they get bigger they're not gonna be stuffed in my Pro...we have another car for that...but sometime soon I need to get something bigger. But believe me, the Pro ain't going NOWHERE! (drive2) But I'm gonna need another alternative sometimes, that's all.

 

[spd_dvl]

Well in all honesty the MSP i believe is styled better than the Mazdaspeed3. However the power plant in the MS3 stock for stock is far superior, but you can build anything to break beyond. Again this falls on what your looking for in a car.

In my opinion the MSP like most Mazdas was not intended for auto cross and road racing not straight light racing. Now you can build a 500hp Protege motor. But i enjoy to daily drive my MSP so a build for 300-350hp would be plenty.

The MS3 styling is honstly poorly done, unlike its bigger brother the 6 is done very well. But if you look at the 3 and the Dodge Caliber SRT-4 there are simaliar and i believe Mazda wanted to hit the floor first against the SRT-4.

Now this all goes on people's opinions some like things, while others done. No matter which car you go with they are all great cars.

 

[benflagg]

It would cost close to 20k to build the protege i want. So plus the initial cost that i payed for the car, that would put me at 36 thousand dollars. Honestly My MSP is not really worth that. When i Pay it off im probably going to get another MR2 for my toy car. I may keep it to drive around, but im tired of daily driving this car, and have been considering something more comfortable as my daily. My favorite options so far are Honda Element, Or mayhaps a G35.

 

[CantCMe]

It would cost close to 20k to build the protege i want. So plus the initial cost that i payed for the car, that would put me at 36 thousand dollars. Honestly My MSP is not really worth that. When i Pay it off im probably going to get another MR2 for my toy car. I may keep it to drive around, but im tired of daily driving this car, and have been considering something more comfortable as my daily. My favorite options so far are Honda Element, Or mayhaps a G35.

I wouldn't mind a G37...just don't want a car note for now. But more than likely when I get my car running the way I want I'll forget even thinking about buying something else...my Pro's been up and down I-64 soo much it's crazy, and with more power it will be even more fun! But get rid of it for a ms3, not gonna happen.

 

[RixterGT]

Should just do what I did, don't worry about what's best, just get what you like.

Also, the two cars aren't even in the same price range, but maybe that's not a factor for some people.

 

[benflagg]

I just cant handle the daily drive in my MSP anymore. After a while in that car, especialy on 264, 64, and North Hampton, my back is killing me.

 

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I just cant handle the daily drive in my MSP anymore. After a while in that car, especialy on 264, 64, and North Hampton, my back is killing me.

Easy solution. sell that s*** right of way.... what do you plan to buy after ?