MSP Hesitation: Compiling list for Mazda USA

[OrangeMSP]

starts in 2nd gear mostly step on the gas and no zoom-zoom feels like im towing a 48 foot boat behind me

 

[DaKidd]

One more thing I would like to add... When I first got the car it ran GREAT! seemed a lil bit faster then too! but after about 700 miles the hesitation issue seemed to be more obvious. It also doesnt seem to have the same power that it had from 0 to 700 miles. its only at 1480 on the ODO now! so I say :wtf: ?

 

[ping]

Keep those cards and letters coming....

I got the same exact letter from MazdaUSA.

Posting the email addresses would be great, but we do NOT want a flamewar going on with Mazda engineering, we just want due attention. Money talks - with 36 MSP owners having this problem (IF we can trust our poll) that's almost $750,000 in top line revenue to Mazda. They'll notice, especially since the Mazdaspeed buyer is also an "influencer" in the marketplace - typically an enthusiast who refers others to (or away from) a brand, and one who, once happy with an "entry level" car, will tend to stick with a brand.

Bringing our concerns (and clout) tactfully to their attention should do the trick. Mazda has made good on a lot of things, warranty wise, and their market reputation and handling of many issues has been pretty fair (save for a few specific issues). I've noticed on MPVclub.com and here that they have worked with people on specific (and endemic) problems. Hey, Mazda's a car company, not Dr. Feelgood, but they're better than most.

We'll see where this takes us...

(in my best John Belushi Animal House roar) "Who's with me??!?"

 

[alldat1111]

Happens to me almost once everyday, in 2nd and 3rd at about 3k to 5k rpm

 

[MSP Pro]

Mine has a mild surge sometimes between 3k and 4k rpms in second gear at partial throttle (estimate 40% to 60%). However, under full acceleration (100% throttle), the car performs fine. Bone stock, no mods.

 

[spoolboy]

yup 2nd and 3rd pretty much all the time when I push it hard. Kinda feels like I'm driving directly into a really strong wind.

 

[oliver2000]

Happens everyday for me....from 3000-4500 in 3rd,4th and 5th gear.....the car stumbles, hesistates and then goes...is dangerous if you need the power and it is not there. I have changed my air filter to a K&N drop in and it made a small difference.

I took my car to my dealer and they noted the issue however the could not reproduce it....they blamed turbo lag....they do not drive it everyday so the 5 minutes they took it for a spin does not equate to everyday driving.

The checked the computer for updates, these updates are supposed to contain fixes for " drivability " issues like this...they told me even if they verified the hesitation they could do nothing about it until a update comes out.

 

[TURBO3WAGON]

I just submitted my complaint to Mazda.

I own a Mazdaspeed protg, and am quite concerned about the Hesitations, which are felt when accelerating, it is most noticeable between 2500-4500rpm ranges. It appears to be intermittent, however it usually occurs in situations where power is needed most. This can be quite dangerous in situations where you expect the car to go and all you get are stumbling hesitations. At WOT it shows less signs of hesitation then under mild acceleration. I love the car but am very disappointed with the unrefined power delivery. Perhaps Mazda needs to look into reprogramming the SPEED ECU?? The jerky feeling has become such an annoyance.

Any help in resolving this problem would be greatly appreciated.

(mspb) (scratch)

 

[LBS]

IM RECIEVING THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH MY MSP. IT SEEMS THAT IN 1-2 GEAR AND SOMETIMES 2-3 GEAR AT 3500 RPM APPROXIMATELY THERES JUST NO GET UP. BUT AS SOON AS I HIT 5000 IM OFF AND RUNNIN. I THINK AS SOON AS MY CAI AND NEW FILTER COME IN ALL WILL BE BETTER. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE MY ENGINE IS NOT GETTING ENOUGH OXYGEN TO GET IT GOING.

 

[jroof]

Same deal...seems to mostly happen 3k-4.5k. It seems to be most apparent when I get on the accelerator and then back off a little in this range. As I understand it, an aftermarket intake/filter will help this problem dramatically. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[chwood]

Yep - the effect is most pronounced for me in 2nd/3rd at probably 60-75% throttle, between say 2500-4500 rpms. The power isn't gone for me, but it wavers and undulates as it accerates. Under a constant throttle position, you can feel the car's pull surge/lull/surge/lull/surge/lull until prob 5000 rpms.

Not "dangerous" in my case exactly, but kind of disappointing.

 

[TURBO3WAGON]

I got a diffirent reply from Mazda.

Mazda's goal is your complete satisfaction. We certainly appreciate
hearing from you and will get back to you as quickly as possible.

Note: Our normal business hours are Monday through Friday 6:00am to
4:00pm PT.

Please understand, this system cannot accept attachments.

Thanks!
Mazda's Customer Assistance E-Business Team

P.S. Have you checked out the all-new MAZDA6 sports sedan yet? See it
at www.MazdaUSA.com/newMazda6. Then... Drive it. You'll know.




:bs:

 

[OrangeAppeal]

My dealer said that mazda knows about the issue, and that they are in contact with callaway about it. There probably will be a flash fix for the ecu when the exact issue is found. This was 2 weeks ago, so we will see.

Craig

Exactly what my dealer told me. I don't remember exactly when my hesitation started, but I do know it started before I hit 1000 miles (now I have about 5300 miles). Like I stated before, it's most noticable in 2nd gear, where it feels like:

a) While accelerating (full or partial throttle) it feels like I am feathering the clutch in and out, and it kinda jerks at times then smooths out around 5500 rpm.

or

b) While accelerating (full or partial throttle) it feels like I am applying the brakes and there is a flat no power feeling and it sometimes stumbles/jerks. Then around 5500 rpm, it feels like vtec kicked in, or I hit the "NOS" button, or I got rear ended....it's a definite jump in power that throws me a little into my seat.

I'm also noticing similar things in 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear, just not as pronounced.

When I took it to the dealer for service about a month ago, they said that Mazda knows of the problem, it's not just my car. They don't know whats causing it or how to fix it, but they are in contact with Callaway to see if they can figure out what is going on and possibly come up with a fix. Then he told me that I would more than likely be notified of a fix directly from Mazda.

I understand that a dealership service dept can only do soo much, and thats about all I expected from them....when the dealership called me up a week later to ask how everything else was (had my bushings replaced that day too), I told him I hadn't hear anything from the bushings, but the stumbling issue seems to have worsened. He then said, "well, if it becomes a drivability issue, then bring it back in and we'll do what we can" (soo far, this is the best dealership experience I've encountered)...soo, my car is going back in on Monday (5/19).

I'm going to wait for the outcome of that before I e-mail Mazda to find out what they are gonna do.

I dont' want it to come to this, but if worst comes to worse...if they can't fix it in 3 or more tries, I can always play the "Lemon Law" card

I'll keep everyone updated on my situation next week.

EDIT: on a side note: A cold air intake might solve this problem as others have stated...but it's not a problem WE should have to solve...so I say, why not get Mazda to pay for our CAI systmes to solve the problem?

 

[TURBO3WAGON]

GREAT IDEA, I WOULD LOVE A FREE CIA.

 

[funnylittlman]

MMMM CAI and an ECU flash! What a great deal that would be!

 

[servoeyes]

I'm in! Where do I sign?

Product ID......QTY......Charge
Injen CAI........1........- 0 -

Hey OrangeAppeal...which dealer do you go to? Sounds a lot like an answer my dealership would give?

 

[funnylittlman]

Hey Servo,

I'm guessing since yours came off right after mine, we have the same issue, eh?

 

[OrangeAppeal]

I'm in! Where do I sign?

Product ID......QTY......Charge
Injen CAI........1........- 0 -

Hey OrangeAppeal...which dealer do you go to? Sounds a lot like an answer my dealership would give?

Mazda of Newport, RI...all around great dealership...run all by younger mid - late 20's people for the most part. I'm impressed by them soo far (I should be to drive an hour to a dealership, when I have 3 others closer by about 1/2 hour each).

 

[JMS'sMSP]

many times

Mine has never stalled to the point of shutting off but on many occasions it has come really close. Like 200 rpms close mabey even lower while sitting at a redlight or stop sign it will just shutter and almost cut off.

I also notice a hesitaion in the low rpm's in all gears.

 

[Grimace]

I have the hesitation once in a while, but not the stalling problem.
The worst time I experienced the hestitation was accelerating semi-hard in 5th gear, and when the tac hit ~3500 RPM, it felt for a moment like when my drivers ed teacher used to hit the passenger side brake...