ms3 enginge in the msp

[chicano565]

do you guys think the new ms3 engine will be compatible with the msp?

 

[wicked]

do you guys think the new ms3 engine will be compatible with the msp?

sure,it would be no differnt of a swap then putting in a 4G63,or a SR20,or any other transverse engine.

you would just have to do some serious hacking,and modifacations.

 

[Focus]

Biggest issue you would face would be the drive shafts !!

 

[igdrasil]

Ive never seen the swap, could be interesting to see if it can be done.

If the motor mounts aligns on the engine, its very possible.

 

[Brian MP5T]

If you are going to bother to swap that out, why not drop in something CRAZY like a 350 Small Block..

 

[Rotary_Powered]

Might have to do a little frame notching here and there. Tranny might bolt up with an adapter plate, you'll need to do new mounts. And rewire. I'd actually like to see that done to the MP5 and the MSP/MP3, lol.

 

[benflagg]

I have been waiting for somebody to do this, it give us msp guys a lot more potential to work with in my opinion

 

[8cd03gro]

its going to be a major problem putting all that torque down on the msp...

 

[Focus]

its going to be a major problem putting all that torque down on the msp...

Not really, the MS3 computer compensates for that !

I have been waiting for somebody to do this, it give us msp guys a lot more potential to work with in my opinion

Hmmm, the MS3 is not even out yet !

 

[gone_fishin]

Fitment will likely be an issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I read that the mazdaspeed 3's engine is basically the same engine that was put in the mazdaspeed 6 (the 2.3 liter t). Mazdaspeed engineers had to design the ms6 with a domed hood to compensate for the engine's height above the frame. Mazdaspeed did a similar thing to the ms3 by traying the hood slightly to raise it 20mm. Also to squeeze the 2.3 t engine into the bay of the ms3, they had to modify the dash to accomodate it (there's an indentation in the dash panel).

Aside from the various fitment issues you'll run into, you'll most likely run into a host of electrical issues.

 

[gone_fishin]

Swapping out the third gen 1.8 or the 1.6 for the 2.0 is a pain in the ass, and that's protege to protege. It gets even more complicated swapping between models. For all the money you'd spend doing the ms3 swap, you could have made much more power on your protege's original.

 

[Focus]

Swapping out the third gen 1.8 or the 1.6 for the 2.0 is a pain in the ass, and that's protege to protege. It gets even more complicated swapping between models. For all the money you'd spend doing the ms3 swap, you could have made much more power on your protege's original.

Yes, but imagine having a 6 Speed !!!!

 

[gone_fishin]

Yes, but imagine having a 6 Speed !!!!

Having a 6 speed would be cool don't get me wrong, but wouldn't making 375+ whp and boosting at 16+ lbs be even cooler?

 

[B1GHAM]

Fitment will likely be an issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I read that the mazdaspeed 3's engine is basically the same engine that was put in the mazdaspeed 6 (the 2.3 liter t). Mazdaspeed engineers had to design the ms6 with a domed hood to compensate for the engine's height above the frame. Mazdaspeed did a similar thing to the ms3 by traying the hood slightly to raise it 20mm. Also to squeeze the 2.3 t engine into the bay of the ms3, they had to modify the dash to accomodate it (there's an indentation in the dash panel).

Aside from the various fitment issues you'll run into, you'll most likely run into a host of electrical issues.

Yes the hood is raised on the MS6 but its not due to the engine, its due to the fact that the intercooler is top mounted and fed air through a ram air system. If that was changed to a FMIC system Im sure that would bring the hieght down...

 

[Focus]

Having a 6 speed would be cool don't get me wrong, but wouldn't making 375+ whp and boosting at 16+ lbs be even cooler?

Been there done that , well (330 WHP @ 18 psi ) !!!

 

[Rotary_Powered]

The 1.6 protege engine is supposibly the best for taking boost. atleast 16 psi with good tunning is easy from what I understand, the 2.0 tech has more potencial but the stock internals are not as good, (1.6 has better stroke, so it's not fragile) Don't know much about the 1.8

 

[jeffmsp]

gtx motor, harness, ECU ~$1500
escort gt axles, transmission, linkage, hubs etc -buy a $300 parts car
custom mounts and your done. its that easy....lol anything works with time and money.

 

[benflagg]

the more I think about this the more I think the best way to build power would be just to get a block with forged internals and some good ems prob cost less than swapping and then you KNOW you will be able to make some power

 

[Rotary_Powered]

In the long run I you'll make the same power for the same money (theoretically) but the 2.3 should be a better platform (more potencial) but a pain to tune, because of the Direct injection.

 

[igdrasil]

Swapping out the third gen 1.8 or the 1.6 for the 2.0 is a pain in the ass.

How come??? Ive done it and everything swaps like stock! Motor mounts, axles, tranny, arms, etc. (even tranny swaps between engines is like installing bolt-ons).