MP3, MSP and P5 Engine Management solution

[perfworks]

my state tests only by plugging into the OBDII port on modern vehicles. if i run a paralell i assume this wouldn't be a problem, whereas a standalone would?

These are some of the reasons we chose the PnP unit. There are many simple ways to pass emmisions testing.
Another great advantage to running in parallel with the AEM

 

[boostisgood]

MPNick, First, when a state does an ODBII Smog test, it simply looks to see if a CEL has been thrown for any smog issue ONLY. I hope that clears that up for you.

Second, keep any further posts here, civil, and on topic. This is your ONLY warning, as this is an official product release thread for this vendor, and any attack against the company, or person posting wil be seen as a violation of YOUR vendor status, and reported to the ADMINS immediatly.


This is in no way related to any relationship I have with WAGNER MOTORSPORTS, but my responsability as a moderator of this forum.

 

[Kooldino]

MPNick - please don't hijack nick's thread, if you'd like to compare and contrast engine managment systems, please do so in a new thread, as it's not the forum policy to do it in the Vendor's thread.

Side note: If they have to pass emissions, they could always plug their stock ECU back in to do so.

Thanks guys, keep it clean.

 

[MPNick]

MPNick - please don't hijack nick's thread, if you'd like to compare and contrast engine managment systems, please do so in a new thread, as it's not the forum policy to do it in the Vendor's thread.

Side note: If they have to pass emissions, they could always plug their stock ECU back in to do so.

Thanks guys, keep it clean.

The question was ask about passing emissions. I am not talking about any other system. I see no hijacking going on, just looking to see how they can pass inspection.


Thanks again


Later.........Nick

 

[MPNick]

MPNick, First, when a state does an ODBII Smog test, it simply looks to see if a CEL has been thrown for any smog issue ONLY. I hope that clears that up for you.

Second, keep any further posts here, civil, and on topic. This is your ONLY warning, as this is an official product release thread for this vendor, and any attack against the company, or person posting wil be seen as a violation of YOUR vendor status, and reported to the ADMINS immediatly.


This is in no way related to any relationship I have with WAGNER MOTORSPORTS, but my responsability as a moderator of this forum.

No not all states just check for a CEL. I hope this clears it up for you. My post are facts not attacks. I am asking the same question that other people asked. Take a chill pill, Mr Mod.


Thanks again


Later..........Nick

 

[perfworks]

U got your s*** together

Which setup do u recomend for me. I want to run 200-220 or more whp the parelell or the stand-alone. I know I will need bigger injectors but please give me the run down of what I will need so when i order my kit from Andy i can tell him exactly what i need Thanx in advance

PM me, I will give you a list of mods

 

[perfworks]

what about an upgraded fuel pump, will that be needed with the bigger injectors?

With more fuel pressure yes, but larger injectors no. It is still a good Idea to go with a booster pump inline or just upgrade the stock unit in tank. Its not a good feeling when the pump takes a s*** while your boostin'!
The stock protege pump wasn't designed to be a high output devise.

 

[perfworks]

I still don't understand what is the benefit of running stand-alone vs. parallel if all the factory ECU does is control the dash. Does the stand-alone have different maps resulting in more hp? (I assume so since it runs a MAP). Can the parallel lose the MAF too?

I am very interested in this unit, this may be the deciding factor on whether I keep this car or trade it it on my wife's Cooper S. (If so, I'll end up back in some car older than me...69 Alfa GTV maybe)

I was also considering the DFI Gen 7 but this is way better because it is PnP and uses the factory sensors. I didn't want to switch over to all GM sensors.

This is exactly what I want, something that is a plug in, and offers good drivability that can compensate for Oregon's constantly variable weather conditions(most important) and maybe a few extra ponies. This summer definately, maybe sooner (graduation is in 17 weeks...)

Thanks,

Britt

I did go over many of the reasons why it is still incorporated. It is not only for the dash. I can post it again if you dont see it. But most importantly you need to understand that EVERYTHING the stock ecu "sees" and "controls" can be tuned thru the AEM. Its just that in order to make it cost effective, reliable, OBDII compliant and ammenity functional such as with the dash , we like to incorporate it.
I'll find my post and quote it for you .

 

[Reitrof]

Perfworks,

Can you answer my question I posted earlier? I am running a stock P5 with SRI and Racing Beat Exhaust.

Thanks

 

[perfworks]

I'll break it down slightly for you using this example.
Again it is not limited to these controls. This is basically an example to show the reason for the two different units and sub structures within.

Parallel-
-Stock ECU still active along with the AEM PnP unit
- The stock ECU will still output commands to the following drivers: IAC, Cruise control, Dash (tach, speedo, fuel gauge etc), Vtcs opration , Vics chamber activation, Alternator compensation adn regulation, Powersteering Pressure. There are alot more but I think you all get the point.
- AEM EMS will directly control ALL of your Timing and Opening of the injectors. The stock ECU will have NOTHING to do with fuel or ignition any longer. The AEM will be programmed as a "sub contractor" to deliver the essentials needed to get the car running properly, efficiently and for the best possible performance at the given application.
- The Parallel system allows you to keep your everyday functions the same as it came from the factory. BUT still gives you the tunability you need to make it into a track monster.
- It allows you to always have the ability to PLUG your ECU back in god forbid you have any issues with the unit or drivability or ANYTHING. SAFETY precautions only guys. You never know when something can go wrong and you dont want to be stranded. Now depending on your level of performance you should not have ANY problems like this but it is a safety measure I like to employ.
(AGAIN , I wont go into every function as it will take all day and night just to post about it)

Standalone- The AEM EMS will control EVERYTHING. Fuel , timing Vics, Vtcs, AC compensation and control, alternator, blah and some more BLAH. EVERYTHING! That means addition tuning and labor. So naturaly the price will be higher.

Someone had mentioned something about CAM control? The protege doesnt have a "vtec" type setup BUT this is what you do control with it.
Depending on cam profile, the rpm scaling in the AEM can be varied so as to compensate for needed tuning in that range. In other words (lamens terms), If you desire to tune the cams with adjustable gears and would like to change your powerband, this is what you will do. Simply by "creating" resolution in the software for the particular range of rpm you are looking to modify. If the cams really start to breathe well around 4000 and fall off at around 6700rpm (example guys) we will have it tuned so that the AEM will have closer break points in that range . That way you can tune for every 200 RPM rather than 500-700 rpm. We can fine tune the fuel and igntion curve more precisely by inputing the range in which we prefer to have the AEM "pay more attention". Again there is alot more to it. Im just trying to generalize so everyone understands. This unit is amazing. It does everything. Or at least I should say it has the ability to do everything you need for the car.
Another good thing about the Parallel system and the Standalone is the following:
We can and will employ this on auto cars. Meaning in parallel mode we will contol the car for FI and NA just as well as it would be for a manual vehicle. Both the units will vary in function. The parallel system will utilize the stock controls in the ecu for the TRANS shifting BUT we can program it to "watch" the stock ecu and not let it over rev. OR when someone wants to go to full standalone we can control the auto tranny shiftpoints and VSS ETC. Trust me when I say EVERYTHING!

here you go.

 

[perfworks]

Perf- Will the OBDII system still work with the AEM in parallel? A cheap OBDII datalogger that connects to the OBDII port would make datalogging very simple. With the boost control solenoid installed, will the user be able to switch between Low/High Boost from inside the cabin, or will you need to do this via laptop?

02.5 P5- A larger or inline fuel pump would be a good idea with new injectors.

The way we have the TWO units configured the OBDII connection will still be valid.
The AEM datalogs for you. I can have a switch setup to start logging when you need it too also. We haven't done this yet but I can make it a project we tackle and accomplish.

I can also have a configured switch for the solenoid. It hasn't been figured into the pricing though. Basically because some people like to keep a steady boost level thruout. And just use throttle position as demand.
It would just require additional tuning time is all.

 

[perfworks]

I'm sorry if I missed this info in the previous posts but with a Stock P5 engine and the Parallel system, what kind of HP and torque is expected?

We did post a little about it. BUT we are not making any assumptions as of yet. We will soon as we are going to tune for NA first then FI. The dyno results will speak for themselves along with the mod list. I just need a few weeks to get it all tested and dynoed.
The main reason for the thread was to allow people to see what we are working on for the community. The results will be out soon. Thanks for your patience

 

[perfworks]

Perfworks,

Can you answer my question I posted earlier? I am running a stock P5 with SRI and Racing Beat Exhaust.

Thanks

Just trying to go in order. Sorry.

 

[perfworks]

Will you provide tuning software to those of us who have access to our own dyno? Auto-tune is very conservative from what I have seen with the Hondata stuff and I live on the edge

Yes all the units will come with the software you need to tune it yourself if you like. You would just need to follow our guidelines as we have configured inputs and outputs a little differently.
For example we have several vendors already interested in units for their customers. We provide them with the same info as any enduser.

 

[Reitrof]

Perfworks,

Thanks. But what is NA? I assume FI is Fuel Injected?

 

[prospeed]

this unit sounds really great. i look forward to the outcome of this product.

if the unit is run parallel will the stock computer still recieve any of the inputs for the moniters that are required to pass nj state inspection.

i am asking this because it seems you only leave the stock ecu in to control certain devices.

 

[perfworks]

man this is awesome!!! i cant keep this smile off my face!!! sign me up for a parallel. i also have the same question as Britt " Can the parallel lose the MAF too?" if i have a catback, a dp, and an intake at the time i order one of your units (most likely your parallel system) then i add cams, pullies,.......etc then would i have to send it out to you. so that you can reprogram it? or will it compensate for these added changes? one last question, when i get the parallel system, do i have to get it dyno'ed right away if at all, and do you or i just tune it at the dyno or???

thanks for the time spent on this guys!!!! this is great!!!!

a vary happy
-dave

Yes we are working on eliminating it completely in the parallel version.
As far as your mods go it will need to be tuned a little more optimally after all the mods are done.
A few datalogs of the vehicle driving around and under boost is all I need. Then I can get it closer to where it needs to be on the street. I would suggest a good dyno tune however to make sure we are spot on. I like to run the WB correction tight, So as not to give it too much room to play with the settings. Drivability is key and we want to make sure you run as good as stock under partial throttle and little load.

 

[perfworks]

Perfworks,

Thanks. But what is NA? I assume FI is Fuel Injected?

NA - Naturally aspirated
FI - Forced induction

 

[perfworks]

this unit sounds really great. i look forward to the outcome of this product.

if the unit is run parallel will the stock computer still recieve any of the inputs for the moniters that are required to pass nj state inspection.

i am asking this because it seems you only leave the stock ecu in to control certain devices.

I wont go into HOW we configured the unit. BUT the OBDII is still active and works as normal. It WILL pass the emmisions tests

 

[Reitrof]

Thanks. I would be very interested.