Microtech VS Haltech

[ncsukingpin]

Which is better between the following two:

Microtech LT-8S

Haltech F10X

I am considerring getting one of these for my 99 Protege LX, but I dont really know which is better. Is either easier to use, have more features, or offer the ability to increase the HP more than the other? I have read the spec sheets but dont really understand most of what they are talking about. The Microtech I believe costs more retail so is it better or is it just the name?

 

[13984]

Which is better between the following two:

Microtech LT-8S

Haltech F10X

I am considerring getting one of these for my 99 Protege LX, but I dont really know which is better. Is either easier to use, have more features, or offer the ability to increase the HP more than the other? I have read the spec sheets but dont really understand most of what they are talking about. The Microtech I believe costs more retail so is it better or is it just the name?

What mods do you have done to justify getting an ems? Unless you are boosted or you are an extremely modded n/a ems will do nothing for you. Both are good, I can only personally speak for the haltech f10x which controls fuel only.

 

[MakeMeGoFast]

Well, Im sure he could eeek some power out of it. Mostly would be good for just Fuel mileage. But if you have the money. Get it out of the way now. Then you dont have to worry about it later.

 

[13984]

Well, Im sure he could eeek some power out of it. Mostly would be good for just Fuel mileage. But if you have the money. Get it out of the way now. Then you dont have to worry about it later.

Not worth it this early. He should save money for other stuff first.

 

[Captain KRM P5]

totally different systems. F10X is fuel only, the Microtech LT10s (LT8 is no more) controls all aspects of fuel and timing. a better comparison would be the Haltech E6X vs Microtech.

 

[ncsukingpin]

Thanks for the help. I am looking to get an EMS because I do plan to boost as soon as I get the cash, and if an EMS comes up for sale anytime soon on here at a good price, like a Microtech LT-8S that is going for $850 on here, then I may want to go ahead and get one. Plus I will be running wires through the firewall in the next couple of weeks anyway, so I might as well do it all at once.

With that said, I know the hiboost kit comes with the Haltech F10X. So you are saying that only controls fuel? So it is used to keep the engine from getting to lean under boost? Could I get more HP out of the car if I went with a Haltech E6X which allows me to control timing? I dont know if the protege 1.6L is set up alright stock or if there are maps available to advance it.

Lastly, would the Haltech E6X or Microtech LT8S (or LT10) options be better?

Thanks again.

 

[ncsukingpin]

Here is the Microtech I was talking about:

http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123669689

 

[Captain KRM P5]

basically the equivalent to the new LT10s. it would control alot more than an F10X would.

 

[ncsukingpin]

What else does it control? Just engine timing? And is that important for a protege under 8psi boost? Does it offer anything else the lesser models dont offer?

 

[ncsukingpin]

bump

 

[osu1steve]

If you're talking about the Microtech, it does fuel and timing. I'm not sure how many upgrades the LT10s have over the LT-8 ... but the 10 has some nice features with extra input / output to handle things such as compensation for extra A/C compressor load, control radiator fans, control Idle Air Solenoid (not sure if that one has been resolved yet), VICS operation. Maybe more that I'm not thinking of. Hit up Steve @ NSN Motorsports ... he's laid a lot of groundwork for the Microtech / Protege stuff.

 

[mazpro]

if you are planning on staying under the 8lbs of boost and getting the high boost kit, you might as well save the money, stay with the F10X that it comes with and get it tuned once you get it.

 

[ncsukingpin]

I am actually planning on pieceing together a turbo kit, cause Im a poor college student. So I am also planning on buying a used EMS. Just wondering which is the best way to go.

 

[13984]

I am actually planning on pieceing together a turbo kit, cause Im a poor college student. So I am also planning on buying a used EMS. Just wondering which is the best way to go.

Its few and far between that can piece together a reliable turbo kit for cheap. In the long run a kit is cheaper. There will be others that will probably chime in and say they pieced one together cheaper, but its not common that it turns out cheaper.

 

[LinuxRacr]

I am actually planning on pieceing together a turbo kit, cause Im a poor college student. So I am also planning on buying a used EMS. Just wondering which is the best way to go.

My advice, as someone who has been through a nuber of turbo kits, engine management solutions, and headaches, is don't get too impatient because of being a "poor college student". Save money, and get a reliable, proven kit (especially if you don't have the money). Gotta think if you will have the money to fix whatever can break. If the answer is no, then you are taking a gamble.

BTW, I run the Haltech E6X.

 

[osu1steve]

Gotta think if you will have the money to fix whatever can break. If the answer is no, then you are taking a gamble.

BTW, I run the Haltech E6X.

Amen to this! $4000 and 3 months later, I'm still waiting to get a built block to replace the one I destroyed ... but not because of poor tuning, but because I didn't have the discipline to not crank the s*** out of the boost.

 

[Pirana]

after my Unichip...I use a Haltech E8. They are very reliable and easy to use/program. Check out the new issue of Dsport were they disect a new Haltech E11v2...although this is their top-of-the-line model, their counterparts E6X and E8 have almost the same features.

 

[LordWorm]

What mods do you have done to justify getting an ems? Unless you are boosted or you are an extremely modded n/a ems will do nothing for you.

Beg to differ here,...

With nothing other than a Microtech LT10S kit, i dropped 0.6 of a second off my quartermile. Car makes a heap more power, an absolutely MONSTER amount more power over the stock EMS....Bottom end just went ballistic.

Given the craptastic nature of the standard ecu's we all have to suffer, an aftermarket ecu is going to give big gains to anyone who puts one on.

its worth noting, the addition of cams and a retune only yielded another 0.2 of a second drop...largely due to increased top end breathability.


For those wondering about the difference between the LT8S and LT10S...the LT10S has 2 extra outputs (3 total, i run one for VICS, one for fan and one for idle control), and 1 extra input (2 totaly, you can use one for 2step launch control and the other to add more idle air when the AC is switched on)

LT10S is also more LIKELY to accept the 32 bit mapping when it all comes out, since the 8S is a discontinued unit, i'm not sure if it will upgrade.....

 

[13984]

Beg to differ here,...

With nothing other than a Microtech LT10S kit, i dropped 0.6 of a second off my quartermile. Car makes a heap more power, an absolutely MONSTER amount more power over the stock EMS....Bottom end just went ballistic.

Given the craptastic nature of the standard ecu's we all have to suffer, an aftermarket ecu is going to give big gains to anyone who puts one on.

its worth noting, the addition of cams and a retune only yielded another 0.2 of a second drop...largely due to increased top end breathability.


For those wondering about the difference between the LT8S and LT10S...the LT10S has 2 extra outputs (3 total, i run one for VICS, one for fan and one for idle control), and 1 extra input (2 totaly, you can use one for 2step launch control and the other to add more idle air when the AC is switched on)

LT10S is also more LIKELY to accept the 32 bit mapping when it all comes out, since the 8S is a discontinued unit, i'm not sure if it will upgrade.....

Thats not a big difference and still doesn't justify the cost. With practice you can shave .6 sec off your 1/4 time just by getting better 60ft times. Cams and retune for another .2?? How do you know you weren't just driving better that day. Oh well whatever floats your boat.

 

[avarela86]

I am actually planning on pieceing together a turbo kit, cause Im a poor college student. So I am also planning on buying a used EMS. Just wondering which is the best way to go.

Just like Linux said, I went and bought a used kit and even then it needed work. I spent way too much and I was on a budget too. If I did it again I would've gone with a kit. Hiboost is reliable and it works great too. Plus at this point I think it's the only Kit STILL on the market unlike all the other companies. That alone says a lot. If you are interested in getting a their kit PM me and I will get you the person you need to talk to.