Mazdaspeed says "Mods" will void warrenty

[spacemonkey]

Hey just got off the phone with Mazdausa at 1-800-222-5500 (there is a section devoted to hearing the new renisis engine). Anyways the mazdaspeed section said any mods including a turbo timer will void powertrain warrenty. They said that it has to be test by Mazda in order for it to be aprropiate for installation. They also made it clear that they are not going to make turbo timers or test any aftermarket products. So basically they said that you can only use official Mazdaspeed products...******* blows (so they can charge you $800 for Mazdaspeed mudflaps). Now the technician didn't say it, but he hinted to just installing the turbo timer and taking it out before you visit the dealer...of course he would not admit that.

Anyways my question is are turbo timer easy to install and uninstall...are there any seals I have to worry about because they do not make wiring harness for the speed protege. You basically have to hotwire the thing in.

Maybe we should lobby Mazda because it pointless to buy a Mazdaspeed and keep it in complete stock form...they should know that. Thats like saying Im going to keep my RX-7, Supra or Skyline stock. WE really should tell Mazda to make a change! Petition or something

 

[Autox MSP]

new viper alarms have turbo timer built in to its autostart feature.
I had it on my last car.

 

[jaymode]

Well that should not void the whole warranty, they have to PROVE that your mod caused something to go wrong in the engine. Search will lead to many other threads saying the same thing.

 

[spacemonkey]

True, thats what alot of threads say...they even provided a whole list of parts to use. But are those threads credible? MazdaUSA is a pretty credible source and they are saying no to mods...except Mazdaspeed products. I know every dealer is diffrent...some even turn there backs on Mods and say its okay.

Mazdaspeed says any work done to the engine, tranny or turbo will void powertrain warrenty. I'll look into it more...Im sure they are cool with turbo timers cuz it doesnt do much but MazdaUSA basically said no to turbo timers...it would have to a Mazda TT.

 

[zzooomm]

I told my service manager at Mazda what a bunch of sorry asses Mazda is. If you go buy any other performance car on the market today except Mazda, you can buy a stage 1,2,3 kit from the dealer. Even our Father company FORD, throught Ford Motorsports. Fazda better get on the band wagon or the Speed will die. Didn't Mazda learn when the were building old people cars? Now they are back to building performance cars with no help to the speed demons like us. HOLLA OUT IF YOU AGREE!!

 

[Notorious]

Its not whether the threads are credible. Check the law. No way around those. Sorry mazda.

 

[1sty]

I told my service manager at Mazda what a bunch of sorry asses Mazda is. If you go buy any other performance car on the market today except Mazda, you can buy a stage 1,2,3 kit from the dealer. Even our Father company FORD, throught Ford Motorsports. Fazda better get on the band wagon or the Speed will die. Didn't Mazda learn when the were building old people cars? Now they are back to building performance cars with no help to the speed demons like us. HOLLA OUT IF YOU AGREE!!

Actualy all that BS about the Mopar kits was just that BS.

http://www.protegemp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31711&highlight=mopar

This is directly form the Mopar website:
Mopar Performance Parts Warranty

Mopar Performance Parts are sold "as is," without any warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, including warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are excluded. The entire risk as to quality and performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repair.

Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the vehicle or parts are used for competition or if they fail as a result of modification.



LINK:
http://www.mopar.com/perf_srt_turbo.html

Clink on the:
Click here for the complete Mopar Performance Parts Warranty and Additional Notes.

 

[scoobiesport]

Maybe we should lobby Mazda because it pointless to buy a Mazdaspeed and keep it in complete stock form...they should know that. Thats like saying Im going to keep my RX-7, Supra or Skyline stock. WE really should tell Mazda to make a change! Petition or something

Yah lobby Mazda You seem to be quite the activist why dont you do a little bit more research. Just like Toyota and Nissan, Mazda can not "Void" your warrenty if you put after market parts on your car. However lets say you have a blown turbo Mazda can say that your Boost Controller destroyed the turbo. If your subwoofer gets blown they cant say they wont do warrenty work because you installed a Boost Controller. You are protected by the Magnuson-Moss act.

Ill post a link to some good info for you in a sec

 

[KYMP5]

federal law stated that they have to prove the parts you installed caused the prblem. there is a thread somewhere that has this actual law word for word.

 

[scoobiesport]

Here is the link to the M-M act

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty.htm

And some more good info

http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?ID=8124

 

[Cirielle]

Just to let you know aftermarket alarms can also void your warranty too! I have it in writing from Mazda!
Of course all of this could be disputed in a court of law and a person not Mazda would probably win something at least, but I doubt Mazda really cares!!!
I miss my Subaru more and more everyday!

 

[spacemonkey]

Thats sweet info. I totally Agree with you but I should not look behind my shoulder on something small like a turbo timer. Its the most harmless mod to get...but to say that it will void warrenty? Especially there are only a few big companies that do turbo timers (HKS, Blitz, Greddy, Apexi)...well that I would get. A Turbo timer is not going to make your Engine explode or make the tranny shoot out the back. Maybe a boost controller. Same goes for an Cold Air Intake...that will void warrenty too. According to them any engine or turbo mods that isnt Mazdaspeed will void warrenty. They didnt say mazda approved cuz they say no such plan (to test aftermarket parts) or list is out. They might be just saying that so we have to buy genuine mazda stuff.

They can eat me cus I'm installing it either way and I garrentee Mazda that it wont make the engine explode. I'll just unnstall and reinstall all my parts before I take it into the dealer.

I'm not saying the warrenty is bull s***...I realize alot of dealers have the same warrenty. I also know that alot of them blame it on aftermarket parts. I'm just saying car companies should know Moding cars are a very natural thing. I'm saying Mazda should get off there asses and start testing theses products out and support certain brands. Mazda already has several after market companies working for them like Garret and Jackson Racing. Why can't HKS do the samething. It mos def would increase their market. Or if they are so afraid of us ruining the engine with aftermarket stuff...why cant we just let the tech install it (I know too pricy)? Or install it ourselves and let a certified Mazda technician check over it?

My main concern is the small stuff...Im not looking to supercharge my engine at 200 miles.

I just feel some stuff we do need to protect our turbo/engine cuz not everyone can sit and wait 1 or 2 minutes after drive 2 hrs on the highway. I'm afraid cuz I heard that 2.0L protege engine can barely handle the stock boost...so reliaility is the main concern. I just want to take care of my engine and turbo...Im sure people understand that. Im just protecting my intrest/investment.

 

[122 Vega]

Mazda can write or say whatever they want about the warranty, but in the end they cannot undo FEDERAL LAW. The Consumer Laws are designed to protect the consumer, hence the clever name.

The problem is with the people (a few on this board) with blown motors, spun bearings and many, many many mods that are ******* it up for everyone else because they can't own up to thier own mistakes. If you mod a car, and the mod causes the failure, you should just suck it up and fix it yourself. This is basically what the law says too. Mazda shouldn't have to pay for people's stupidity.

The real question is, is it worth fighting at all? My wife (who is in her last year at law school specializing in consumer law) says for instance, if it only costs @$1500-1800 to build a new short block with forged internals, why the hell would anyone waste their time attempting to go to court instead of enjoying beating the snot out of their new motor? You would spend more than that on fees. And in 99% of consumer law cases, you can collect atty fees, but no damages, so in the end you would have a new motor and a lot of wasted time and energy. And you would still have a stock motor.

You have to weigh the risks involved. The likelyhood of a turbo timer causing any problems is nil, but Mazda has to prove that it did. My dealership has been telling me that my hesitation and stalling is caused by my TT, without a doubt. Fact. Case closed. But then Mazda comes out with a flash that cures 99% of it.

Aftermarket parts will always be blamed for causing failures of non associated parts. Having worked at the largest Car Audio chain in the Northwest for several years, we were called by consumer law attys occasionally and asked to testify to the likelyhood of cause from aftermarket components. It is an easy way for the dealerships to get out of having to get paid flat rate for warranty work instead of fat rate for customer pay.

Read the law, know your rights, and best of all, please join SEMA because they are the leaders in protecting your automoive freedoms and rights.

end rant

Britt

 

[alexlitov]

It's not the TT itself it's the moron who will **** it up when he/she tries to install it and will **** up the electrical system.

It's also to stop people like you to get a boost controler, set the boost to 15 psi, blow your motor, take the boost controller off and go to your dealer for 'warranty' fix.

 

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

you know what to do is get a pack of smokes and smoke the cig. or throw them out and put the box over your TT if you have it in the hole under dimmer I have done this and no questions asked the TT should fits inside the box. TAH DAH

 

[scoobiesport]

I miss my Subaru more and more everyday!

Subaru is even worse. SOA sent out a memo to their dealerships stating what the common mods were what and where to look for them and also what damage they may cause. Once they find a trace of it SOA said to VOID the warrenty.

But your right I would still miss the Subie

 

[z00mer]

I'm currently working out a deal w/ my service manager on doing the installs for me. That way by getting a tech to do the job, they can't b**** about it ******* w/ my warranty. The only question is....does Mazda Speed have anything that I want, or can use?

 

[Black Majik MSP]

new viper alarms have turbo timer built in to its autostart feature.
I had it on my last car.

Yeah, but those are illegal to install on manual tranny cars. It is a cool option, but a TT is so cheap that I don't think it's worth it unless you really want the extra security of the alarm.

 

[1sty]

Thats sweet info. I totally Agree with you but I should not look behind my shoulder on something small like a turbo timer. Its the most harmless mod to get...but to say that it will void warrenty? Especially there are only a few big companies that do turbo timers (HKS, Blitz, Greddy, Apexi)...well that I would get. A Turbo timer is not going to make your Engine explode or make the tranny shoot out the back. Maybe a boost controller. Same goes for an Cold Air Intake...that will void warrenty too. According to them any engine or turbo mods that isnt Mazdaspeed will void warrenty. They didnt say mazda approved cuz they say no such plan (to test aftermarket parts) or list is out. They might be just saying that so we have to buy genuine mazda stuff.

They can eat me cus I'm installing it either way and I garrentee Mazda that it wont make the engine explode. I'll just unnstall and reinstall all my parts before I take it into the dealer.

I'm not saying the warrenty is bull s***...I realize alot of dealers have the same warrenty. I also know that alot of them blame it on aftermarket parts. I'm just saying car companies should know Moding cars are a very natural thing. I'm saying Mazda should get off there asses and start testing theses products out and support certain brands. Mazda already has several after market companies working for them like Garret and Jackson Racing. Why can't HKS do the samething. It mos def would increase their market. Or if they are so afraid of us ruining the engine with aftermarket stuff...why cant we just let the tech install it (I know too pricy)? Or install it ourselves and let a certified Mazda technician check over it?

My main concern is the small stuff...Im not looking to supercharge my engine at 200 miles.

I just feel some stuff we do need to protect our turbo/engine cuz not everyone can sit and wait 1 or 2 minutes after drive 2 hrs on the highway. I'm afraid cuz I heard that 2.0L protege engine can barely handle the stock boost...so reliaility is the main concern. I just want to take care of my engine and turbo...Im sure people understand that. Im just protecting my intrest/investment.

Lets get things straight.

1. Warrenties are allowed to be void to protect the dealer form fixing problems for free that are not the manufacturers fault.

3. Any aftermarket part can cause a failure. There are alot of wire in a car. pick the wrong one and you'll be wondering why the car won't even start.

4. Aftermarket parts introduce there own failure rates and hazards mazda does not know about so the techs have nothing to go by to find an issue.

5. Mazda does not work with garrette they simply used there produyct, they worked with callaway. Also notice youhave a fully programmed PCM to handle the fuel needs of a turbo not a FPR.

6. Turbo Times are completely pointless. You do not need one unless you like to use boost with 30 seconds of turning off the car. You can drive on the high way for 3 days and as long as the turbo has a few minutes to not be creating boost then you are fine, just turn off the friggen car.

 

[1sty]

Yeah, but those are illegal to install on manual tranny cars. It is a cool option, but a TT is so cheap that I don't think it's worth it unless you really want the extra security of the alarm.

Not exactly, it not illegal just a liability risk. Which is why no shop will do one. Also the protege has a neatural safety wire to make sure you are out of gear. There is no law stopping you from putting one in your car.