Mazdaspeed 3 traction

[GoFast]

sometimes lifting in the corner will only cause you to lose more time than not having traction. Its give in take. Some like to finesse it around the corners. I've had better success with staying in the gas with this car. Could be the Rev Band, could be the LSD, could be my foot. My times aren't really hurting because of it.

i never said lifting. that is a whole different animal from what i was saying. i was saying that traction issues coming out of corners, many times, is just giving it too much, too soon, instead of rolling on it a bit slower.

in either case, drag or road race, there are different things that can and do cause traction issues not just the driver. suspension set up and tires are just a couple things that could be tweaked to help those.

 

[stageup]

get an sti

 

[GoFast]

get an sti

why an sti? because of awd? might as well just get a 4wd dodge ram

 

[mazdasp33d]

lift the e-brake once notch it makes our cars awd (shocked)

 

[GoFast]

lift the e-brake once notch it makes our cars awd (shocked)

i have heard that statement before and i dont get it. esplain

 

[mrjoshyman]

upgrade all mounts, rear, driver & passenger side for starters. there is also a vendor currently working on tracking bars which should be very helpful once they're out

also upgraded suspension such as springs or coilovers could be helpful

 

[Super Unique]

why an sti? because of awd? might as well just get a 4wd dodge ram

I would rather have the 4wd truck than a bloated, overpriced sport sedan/wagon. Seriously, the performance race is getting out of hand, and the cheap pocket rockets are turning into bloated, overpriced white elephants of the car market.

 

[Moultese]

What exactly are we talking about here? Traction issues at the drag strip? Or traction issues at the autocross/road course? Because there are completely different solutions to both problems.

 

[Alexsered]

What exactly are we talking about here? Traction issues at the drag strip? Or traction issues at the autocross/road course? Because there are completely different solutions to both problems.

I'm hoping autocross/road course racing. Drag racing this car is just not worth it. But to each his own.

 

[chrisp]

I'm hoping autocross/road course racing. Drag racing this car is just not worth it. But to each his own.

GO BRUINS! Im not a big fan of the caps although they have one of the best in ovechkin

 

[ms6acton]

go leafs? ah nvm.. we suck!
as for this traction issue, i thought it was put to rest when eg6motion figured it out.. drive it in reverse, solved!

 

[johnnick3]

i have all mazdaspeed aftermarkets and turned 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. then bought cobb tuning anti-sway bars and access port and just smoked tires to oblivion. switched to 8" rims w/ 235-40-18 dunlop direza stars--car turns 1.05 G's on skid pad but can't break 6.4 secs 0-60. Just maybe front wheel drive cars are quicker with all the weight over narrow tires, like snow tires? why else did mazda not put on wider tires? Maybe torque is lost with too much rubber on the road.

 

[mrjoshyman]

i have all mazdaspeed aftermarkets and turned 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. then bought cobb tuning anti-sway bars and access port and just smoked tires to oblivion. switched to 8" rims w/ 235-40-18 dunlop direza stars--car turns 1.05 G's on skid pad but can't break 6.4 secs 0-60. Just maybe front wheel drive cars are quicker with all the weight over narrow tires, like snow tires? why else did mazda not put on wider tires? Maybe torque is lost with too much rubber on the road.

where r u getting these 0-60s & G #s from?

 

[johnnick3]

0-60 & G's

beltronics vector fx2. have test driven evo10 and 09 STI and other than off the line the MS3 is faster and better handling

 

[mrjoshyman]

idk man, im very skeptical of those numbers. 1.05Gs on the skid pad is very high considering ur somehow getting no tracion and 0-60 numbers are worse than stock. i dont know much about the belctronics fx2...but im always skeptical at the numbers from those types of devices.

i doubt that mazda put 215 width wheels on b/c it gets better traction b/c they actually upped the 2010 MS3 to 225 wheels. i would say try and get another device to get measurements. also when ur launching do u have traction control on? what rpm r u launching @?

 

[meicalnissyen]

traction bars...
engine mounts...

Stiff rear springs, heavy rebound damping on the front struts

wheely bars, the cops love wheely bars

 

[johnnick3]

to MRGOSHYMAN
i double checked my 0-60 times using my cobb tuning access port performance
program and came up with the same as i reported above. further, the beltronic reported the specs on a vette zhz (a hertz version of a z06) i rented accurately. 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and skid pad .96, as far as overall handling my speed3 kills the vette...but that zhz gets to 80 before my 3 gets to 60. the vette is scary to throw in a corner/off-ramps.

 

[mrjoshyman]

1.05gs on the skid pad.... check this article out: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=122361#14

they got .88 on the stock MS3 and .91 w/ mazdaspeed coilovers. you're saying that by adding a RSB u jumped to 1.05?

i mean the skid pad on a nissan GTR is .96 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=126453)

do you really think a MS3 is going to beat that?

neway, to work on your 0-60, practice launching @ different rpms...see what works for you. also make sure u at least have a rear motor mount

 

[johnnick3]

added cobb tuning anti-sway bars, 8 inch rims with 235-40-18 dunlop direza star. your rear fenders will cut 235 tires if you don't upgrade anti-sways...cobb tuning stage II package on a subbie sti raised its skid pad to 1.05...google: either "road and track" or "car and driver" plus-- "cobb tuning sti." like i've said before, i've test driven the evo 10 and sti and yesterday a nissan 370Z and the speed3 is tighter. you cannot race the speed3 in corners now with the traction control on because the car handles so much better that the traction control gets in the way by applying the brakes. as my business partner says, who's owned several modified toyota supra's, after driving my speed3, "this things riding on rails." i will say that the 370 has the quickest 0-60 and 60-0.

 

[MSMS3]

Before you guys get your shorts in a wad over the skid pad G's, you need to know the radius of the pad.

Not all skid pads are the same in size and the size affects the amount of G's the same car can pull. Standard radius is 300 feet.

Also, the paved surface coefficient of friction can be quite variable from one pad to another.

The only valid comparisons are those made on the same pad. That's why the magazines always (or should always) use the same skid pad when comparing cars.