Mazda does it! 274HP 2.3L

[Da 6]

What about the focus spin on assembly? seing mazda likes to change the damn part #'s for it every 5 seconds and scream we want Vins off 3i before we bother looking it up...

 

[Airman Jack]

You also are wrong. The intake manifold will be a direct bolt on, out than that the only mod that has been confirmed to work is the Balance Shaft Delete.

you sure? I thought the whole wait for a cosworth intake on our cars was due to a difference from the focus mani. Or are we just waiting for someone to take the plunge first? (bang)

 

[Da 6]

IIRC it bolts up but we have vilm

 

[RobMP5]

I just hope its not overrated like the RX-8 was

 

[KeyserSoze]

Newbie here!

I'm a newb to posting, but not one to the site. Anyway thanks for having me. As I read through this thread, why are people bent on comparing the MS6 to sport compacts? IMO the MS6 is meant to be a performance tuned 6. It's not meant to compete against Evos, Sti and every other sport compact. Remember it is a mid-size sedan, not an econobox. None of MS's Mazda has put out were made to be performance monsters anyway. They were made to combine performance, handling, style and comfort. I for one like the MS6 because it'll have some go, AWD, and nice styling. It's going to start at $28k for the sport model, and $29k for the grand touring. Not bad at all.

 

[tgv121281]

Sorry for the ignorance....but there's been alot of confusion thrown around about these foucs parts on the 3...Are you saying that the stuff at focussport.com can be used on our cars w/ NO problems/modifications????

PS-Can somone also shed some light on the intake manifold??? I read on this forum that its supposed to be able to go onto our cars, BUT it isnt perfected yet so it has problems...heard something abou ta cel that wont go off and maybe some other stuff.....Please advise! TIA

 

[AzMz3]

Sorry for the ignorance....but there's been alot of confusion thrown around about these foucs parts on the 3...Are you saying that the stuff at focussport.com can be used on our cars w/ NO problems/modifications????

PS-Can somone also shed some light on the intake manifold??? I read on this forum that its supposed to be able to go onto our cars, BUT it isnt perfected yet so it has problems...heard something abou ta cel that wont go off and maybe some other stuff.....Please advise! TIA

Only focus parts confirmed to fit are the BSD kit and the Cossier intake manifold. There are no problems with the intake manifold, I think most like me are waiting for SCT so we can get better gain from it.

 

[runfromthecops]

The cosworth kits will bolt up on a mazda2.3, if you dont believe me then try it, same engine some parts, except the 2004 focus zx3 2.3 has a pzev air filter, plastic manifold, and is'nt variable valve timing. Ford owe'nes mazda and cosworth (for now), so it should'nt be a problem with the warrantee. and with all that its at least 200 whp. So technically it would be stock son.

 

[runfromthecops]

Sorry for being rude, but as soon as i get the chance I'm gonna take the plunge and it will work, I know. So just wait and see what happens.

 

[JOS3]

I'm a newb to posting, but not one to the site. Anyway thanks for having me. As I read through this thread, why are people bent on comparing the MS6 to sport compacts? IMO the MS6 is meant to be a performance tuned 6. It's not meant to compete against Evos, Sti and every other sport compact. Remember it is a mid-size sedan, not an econobox. None of MS's Mazda has put out were made to be performance monsters anyway. They were made to combine performance, handling, style and comfort. I for one like the MS6 because it'll have some go, AWD, and nice styling. It's going to start at $28k for the sport model, and $29k for the grand touring. Not bad at all.

holy s***!! somone who actually knows what they are talking about (rockon) !!! ive been trying to explain this to people for the longest time. welcome (hi) to the boards.

 

[Airman Jack]

The cosworth kits will bolt up on a mazda2.3, if you dont believe me then try it, same engine some parts, except the 2004 focus zx3 2.3 has a pzev air filter, plastic manifold, and is'nt variable valve timing. Ford owe'nes mazda and cosworth (for now), so it should'nt be a problem with the warrantee. and with all that its at least 200 whp. So technically it would be stock son.

so you're saying that I could take my Mazda to a Ford dealership and get Mazda parts installed or maintenance done under a Mazda warranty... just because Ford controlls 33% of Mazda? I can't wait to see SVT stickers on a 3 (stoned) (oo.. that was a little offside wasn't it! )

 

[Airman Jack]

Ok, so just to follow up, I called the local Ford delearship here in Moose Jaw. They CAN order Mazda parts, but they CAN NOT perform maintenance under any Mazda warranty. So if you wanna throw a Ford branded part in your Mazda engine, giv'er man!! BUT this does mean that you can't put a Cosworth (Ford) intake on your car, subsequently removing your VLIM, and expect a valid Mazda warranty.
Don't get me wrong, as soon as my warranty is up I plan on buying the HiBoost turbo!

But on line with the whole purpose of this thread, I kinda like the MS6, and I know of many people in Canada who will consider it more seriously now since with the 4WD it makes it a lilttle more driveable in the winter.

 

[tgv121281]

Ok, so it will work and its a direct bolt on. Now whats this about removing the VLIM??? And what exactly is that??? ISnt that like variable timing or something??? Kinda like a mazda vtec?? And how does that improve performance???

Also, there was a comment about waiting for "SCT"???? Whats that??

Also-any problems going turbo/super/n2o later on w/ this intake mani ?

Sorry to be a pain and I'm not doubting any of your comments/opinions....In fact I appreciate them very much and am looking for some more...I'm new to this but want to learn more and want to move forward w/ my car....TIA

 

[goldwing2000]

VLIM = Variable Length Intake Manifold
Basically, an air valve in the manifold that increases or decreases the length of the path the air travels before it goes into the combustion chamber. By changing the manifold, you lose this system. I have a feeling the CAN bus ECU won't like the fact that it's missing, either.

 

[tgv121281]

Thanks for the explanation....so this isnt like a "VTEC", so I'm guessing I wouldnt really miss it then. But now what you're saying sounds like a problem I was hearing somewhere else in the forum....so then the verdict is no good?

 

[goldwing2000]

so then the verdict is no good?

(shrug)

To early for a verdict. Can't have an opinion until somebody tries it. I'm not going to be the guinea pig, though.

As far as the "VTEC" goes, that's the variable valving system on a honda, which is somewhat similar to our VVT. The only way you would lose that is by changing the cylinder head or possibly the cam.

 

[tgv121281]

Well I used to have a prelude, and the VTEC was really felt....However I really dont feel that kind of difference w/ the VLIM on our cars. I guess I'm just picturing losing the VTEC in the Honda and that wouldve sucked...so I'm wondering if losing the VLIM is gonna suck too. But like I said I dont really feel anything...just smooth throughout...whereas the Prelude would be a little sluggish until the VTEC opened up around 5kRPM then you'd really feel the difference...I've taken this car to the rev limiter and dont feel any kind of bug diff....I'm NOT trying to compare a 3 to a prelude...just trying to get a better idea about this VLIM.....Thanks!

 

[AzMz3]

The cosworth kits will bolt up on a mazda2.3, if you dont believe me then try it, same engine some parts, except the 2004 focus zx3 2.3 has a pzev air filter, plastic manifold, and is'nt variable valve timing. Ford owe'nes mazda and cosworth (for now), so it should'nt be a problem with the warrantee. and with all that its at least 200 whp. So technically it would be stock son.

False information.
The Cossy kits contains Cold Air Intake, Header, Intake manifold, Throttle Body, and Reflashed ECU. They are a few other peices in there I'm sure. But out of the ones I listed only the Intake manifold will bolt up. And some have already been in contact with Cosworth and they have showed interest in making the kit for the Mazda3. So please search, read up or call Cosworth before you pass false information.

 

[runfromthecops]

False information.
The Cossy kits contains Cold Air Intake, Header, Intake manifold, Throttle Body, and Reflashed ECU. They are a few other peices in there I'm sure. But out of the ones I listed only the Intake manifold will bolt up. And some have already been in contact with Cosworth and they have showed interest in making the kit for the Mazda3. So please search, read up or call Cosworth before you pass false information.

Ok so tell me why the cosworth cold air intake and throttle body wont fit on the cosworth intake manifold. Look I am not trying to pick a fight, or post false information. i just want to know if it will fit, and from what i have seen and read most of it should bolt up. as far as the header is concerned, i dont know if the bolt patterns match up or not, but i dont think a car company would change the bolt patterns for an engine unless there is a really good reason(or they want to mak money off of it), and since the mazda3 is built on the focus platform i really doubt there was that big of a reason, and the sooner i buy the kit and attempt to put it on the sooner i will be in here letting everyone know if i was right or wrong. i was just trying to help out should anyone want to try it.

 

[Da 6]

we have etb and thats pcm monitered as well! Mazda made our cars so anti modable w/o knoledge of cars Vs a civic that a 14 yr old could work on(BASTARDS!). Try finding an aftermarket t-stat for the 2.3 and as for the VVT and VTEC..I could go on all day but for some off reason I loose people after line 3 so I'll save the headache and say click linky Loo
http://www.mazda6tech.com/Articles/Drivetrain/Exploring-Mazdas-Intake-Technology-19.html