Mazda 626 Intake Manifold = ********** Intake Manifold
- Thread starter jonlong
- Start date
- Status
After spending the last 25 minutes reading 300 posts about this, I must say, those are 25 minutes of my life I will never get back. What a waste of time. On one hand, I don't like being ripped off, evidently neither do the "scam hunters". They take it further than I would, but whatever. Yet on the other hand, I like the fact that I can go to four or five sites on the web that have dedicated a large portion of their business towards fulfilling my mazda needs. They even leave their phone numbers on their sites so I can call them and speak to a real person that cares about protege performance, a very rare market indeed.
I do,however, think it is ABSURD to question where an AUTHROIZED VENDOR found a piece or how they made it, or what went into manufacturing said piece. While we're at it, let's ask mazda how they came up with the FS-DE block, and if they would be so kind to give us CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION so we can fabricate the same engine to our likings, make it stronger. Hell, if we're lucky, maybe we could convince mazda to drop some R&D time into building a better FSDE, at their expense! Then we'll go buy a used one and cut the holes where mazda changed it. GET ******* REAL!!!! I would never open up a shop to cater to mazda performance, specifically because of the business (or lack there of) ethics the people on this forum have displayed, bashing a vendor that supplies them. That's like going into walmart and telling the checkout lady that their chinese-sweatshop-made clothes are too expensive after you've already purchased it. Be glad they even offer the ******* shirt!
Cullen: next time you do something custom, don't do it for mazda. Or, if you really, really have to, patent that b**** and sue every mutha f#$@#%^ last one of them for infrigement. PM me for details, I've worked with a Patent Attorney down here before.
un-subbing
I do,however, think it is ABSURD to question where an AUTHROIZED VENDOR found a piece or how they made it, or what went into manufacturing said piece. While we're at it, let's ask mazda how they came up with the FS-DE block, and if they would be so kind to give us CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION so we can fabricate the same engine to our likings, make it stronger. Hell, if we're lucky, maybe we could convince mazda to drop some R&D time into building a better FSDE, at their expense! Then we'll go buy a used one and cut the holes where mazda changed it. GET ******* REAL!!!! I would never open up a shop to cater to mazda performance, specifically because of the business (or lack there of) ethics the people on this forum have displayed, bashing a vendor that supplies them. That's like going into walmart and telling the checkout lady that their chinese-sweatshop-made clothes are too expensive after you've already purchased it. Be glad they even offer the ******* shirt!
Cullen: next time you do something custom, don't do it for mazda. Or, if you really, really have to, patent that b**** and sue every mutha f#$@#%^ last one of them for infrigement. PM me for details, I've worked with a Patent Attorney down here before.
un-subbing
Patent search: Attorny fee 750.00
Provisional Patent: 100.00 filing fee Attorney fees: 2000.00 to 2500.00
Utility Patent: 100.00filing fee Attorney fees: additional 2000.00 to 2500.00 from Provisional
DESIGN PATENT: $80.00 filing fee attorney fee: 1100.00 to 1500.00
The last one is all that would be necessary. Sell 6 mani's and the fees are taken care of
Provisional Patent: 100.00 filing fee Attorney fees: 2000.00 to 2500.00
Utility Patent: 100.00filing fee Attorney fees: additional 2000.00 to 2500.00 from Provisional
DESIGN PATENT: $80.00 filing fee attorney fee: 1100.00 to 1500.00
The last one is all that would be necessary. Sell 6 mani's and the fees are taken care of
I'm about 15K in and my patent still isn't done... just the filing fee alone for a utility patent on a new design is 1200 dollars... (the filing fee is 800 dollars... alone) provisional is indeed about 130 bucks... my attorney charges at a discounted rate over 275 an hour... standard litigation suit U.S. average is over $150,000 to contest an infringement... each office action you receive from the government (and 90% of patents get at LEAST one) will run you over a grand in lawyer fees...icespeed said:
Your numbers are a bit off... I've been working my patent for nearly 3 years now as well... it takes a long time to get one.
EDIT: But at least you do obviously have a concept of what goes on for it, which is considerably more than the average joe.
Last edited:
Azn, SU, etc...
If you'd like to disagree, that's fine, just try to stay cool about it. Don't take jabs at each other, it's only going to make this worse.
SU: If I were you, I'd either show why my IM was better, or I'd cut my losses and work on improving it.
If you'd like to disagree, that's fine, just try to stay cool about it. Don't take jabs at each other, it's only going to make this worse.
SU: If I were you, I'd either show why my IM was better, or I'd cut my losses and work on improving it.
We have a very personal atmosphere on this forum, which causes us to question vendors. On top of that, there is a lot of knowledge on this forum... the types of people that question everything when it comes to cars. People say the things they say not to bash the vendor (in most cases) but to protect the community and save people money. If I found out that a 626 mani gave performance gains on the car, I would let everyone know. On the same note if I bought a part, brought it home, and it looked just like something else.... I would also let people know. Not to bash the vendor but to help friends.
Yes design patents are much more $ than that.
Our company has patents in the US and other countires. Here is a list of just the US patents we have
http://www.plastictechnologies.com/technology/techpat.html
We have about 15 more not on that list, and about 20 non-US patents. We have the process down quite well and can get patents for maybe $4000, but they can get to be a lot more than that... it all depends on initial research of other patents.
Our company has patents in the US and other countires. Here is a list of just the US patents we have
http://www.plastictechnologies.com/technology/techpat.html
We have about 15 more not on that list, and about 20 non-US patents. We have the process down quite well and can get patents for maybe $4000, but they can get to be a lot more than that... it all depends on initial research of other patents.
- :
- 07 CX-7 GT, 01 CBR929RR
icespeed said:
too bad Mazda may sue them for using their 626 manni.
also, this is a "community", not ebay or pep boys.
Last edited:
TurfBurn said:
Wow, where to begin. Ahh, just saw your edit, so I shall refrain
Didn't have any objections on mine. My attorney keeps me at a cool $250.00/hr. I can see how it could get to 15k, your attorney has probably gone to bat for you more than a few times, detailing it better. I suppose I was just fortunate that mine was *very* different from prior art. (had to get that in there the whole laughing thing got to me, no hard feelings)CasopoliS said:
That is surprising that you guys can do it for that.... our's is a "small entity" patent that my college buddy and I have been working on... it's ridiculously expensive though, and takes forever. But it is also a very broad and very strong patent... if we get it (which we will to one degree or another) it will lock a very important development for the duration of the patent, and should be rather profitable for the two of us.... so here's hoping
. I think our's is a utility patent... but it may be a design patent... I can't remember anymore... I'm just ass deep in the office action refuting all the stupid rejections and idiotic reasoning of patent office... SO annoyed about it.
- :
- 07 CX-7 GT, 01 CBR929RR
atticus1398 said:
anyone? also would no egr raise comb chamber temps alot?
icespeed said:Wow, where to begin. Ahh, just saw your edit, so I shall refrain
Yeah.. sorry about that... I was in shock at first at your numbers.. and then reviewed them again and realized you were close on the base fees, so you obviously knew something about it and weren't blowign smoke... and thus certainly deserved far more respect.
Our is VERY different from prior art as well, but they are being complete dicks... I don't think our reviewer understands the technology at all... using a very archaic rejection... basically trying to maintain that because we indicated a force sensor being used as part of the application they are rejection all our claims relative to a force sensor because it would cover other patents... but they didn't understand our scope correctly and pulled up technology and ideas that aren't even close to in the ballpark...
Our last bill was for a "species" clarification and that was 600 bucks just for a one page response... this office action response we are looking at 1200, and we will see at least another office action... once we clear that, then we have another 1200 to finish off and be done... so I get to look forward to a good 3600 in bills yet, and that's just with the patent filed... thankfully a long story but an organization footed the bill originally for compiling the 50 page patent application... (and it's filed non-published, so you can't look it up). But with ours, and a lot of other technologies it costs thousands and thousands to do it, and it takes years... so in motorsports it is very difficult to do that, and the benefit is very minimal because the court cases are so expensive...
Last edited:
atticus1398 said:
It will throw a CEL, it's not really a vacuum thing... so another source for that will not work... and it shouldn't have a significant impact on combustion chamber temps.... but your cold emissions etc will suck (but your IM temps would drop some)
- Status
