max power on stock internals?

[Doodsmack]

hey guys i just read in a magazine that the MS3 comes with forged crankshaft and connecting rods. so i was wondering, just out of curiousity, if anyone has begun to test the limits of the stock engine block? the magazine estimated that you could get 400 whp out of it. of course i'm guessing you would need a new turbo since the stock one is almost out of its efficiency range.

 

[nazgul350r]

I read that same article, I guess only a couple of tuning houses will be able to do it also, I wish I couls remeber thier names.

 

[meha11]

I read that same article, I guess only a couple of tuning houses will be able to do it also, I wish I couls remeber thier names.

Does anyone know what the drivetrain is good for? It's great having all that power and torque but breaking something would suck big time.

I dont know if that would be the case but i am curious if anyone knows?

 

[redms3gt]

I dont think anyone has broke it yet so the sky's the limit till it breaks. engine/trans. I would say 400-500 depending on the tuning? Its basically built to hold 300 stock with the mazdaspeed stuff so 400 should be no problem. As long as the direct injection has no issues with it.

 

[Evo Scooter]

I dont think anyone has broke it yet so the sky's the limit till it breaks. engine/trans. I would say 400-500 depending on the tuning? Its basically built to hold 300 stock with the mazdaspeed stuff so 400 should be no problem. As long as the direct injection has no issues with it.

Although I am all for adding power I don't think we should be adding too much as the FWD will not be able to handle all that power easily. My wife was driving the car recently and she said:

"You were right..." she said.
"About what?" I was shocked.
"You need to hold on to the steering wheel tight when you punch it." she replied.

This is her first FWD car and she noticed it has a different driving style as compared to her two Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredos and her BMW 325i. Torque Steer!

That being said, I'm planning on Intake, exhaust and TMIC upgrade but little by little so she can get used to the added power when she stomps on it. I get the imperssion that this little engine was built for abuse.

 

[Mocoso]

hey guys i just read in a magazine that the MS3 comes with forged crankshaft and connecting rods. so i was wondering, just out of curiousity, if anyone has begun to test the limits of the stock engine block? the magazine estimated that you could get 400 whp out of it. of course i'm guessing you would need a new turbo since the stock one is almost out of its efficiency range.

Im skeptical of 400 HP at the wheels on stock internals... while you may get it without it blowing up I doubt the engine will last you anything close to 100K miles... not to mention the tranny and drivetrain would problably torque itself to death....

 

[Speed_Racer]

100K is alot of miles, considering the average miles per year is about12-15k. 6 and half years is more than enough for 400hp daily driven car, i doubt anyone would complain.

the drivetrain will be more of a driver thing.

 

[jeffmsp]

i am sure it can see 400whp. the bp can hit 400 on stock motor and this one is even more beefy and better engineered. New intake manfold, exhaust manifold, turbocharged, intercooler, exhaust and EMS = 400WHP no problem. With just the XEDE you are almost at 300WHP and you havent even started modding yet lol. If you are nuts nd wanna push the motor to the limit you can do a methenol injection setup also.

 

[jeffmsp]

does cosworth produce an intake manifold for the disi mzr as well as the focus one? that would be a good start.

 

[jeffmsp]

Although I am all for adding power I don't think we should be adding too much as the FWD will not be able to handle all that power easily. My wife was driving the car recently and she said:

"You were right..." she said.
"About what?" I was shocked.
"You need to hold on to the steering wheel tight when you punch it." she replied.

This is her first FWD car and she noticed it has a different driving style as compared to her two Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredos and her BMW 325i. Torque Steer!

That being said, I'm planning on Intake, exhaust and TMIC upgrade but little by little so she can get used to the added power when she stomps on it. I get the imperssion that this little engine was built for abuse.
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so because the car is fwd you dont want alot of power? It just means you have to learn how to drive and not act like you wife and complain about torque steer. of course it has torque steer, its fwd just hold onto the wheel. your car isnt that fast lol plenty of people daily drive 11-12 second fwd cars to work everyday.

 

[turbofever]

so because the car is fwd you dont want alot of power? It just means you have to learn how to drive and not act like you wife and complain about torque steer. of course it has torque steer, its fwd just hold onto the wheel. your car isnt that fast lol plenty of people daily drive 11-12 second fwd cars to work everyday.

(lol)(first)

 

[spike blue]

well the mazda comes 300 hp with the adrenaline and they said the engine can hold up to 400hp with no problem even with the auto transmission!!! so the ms3 400hp will be ok!!!

 

[spike blue]

here http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123657966

 

[Mocoso]

so because the car is fwd you dont want alot of power? It just means you have to learn how to drive and not act like you wife and complain about torque steer. of course it has torque steer, its fwd just hold onto the wheel. your car isnt that fast lol plenty of people daily drive 11-12 second fwd cars to work everyday.

I would love to hear which mass produced fwd daily driver is pulling 11-12 second times and is still able to handle the first left or right turn with all the added power....

 

[jeffmsp]

turbo civics for a start... light hatchback + built motor + turbo = wow my buddy daves late 90 civic 4 door has a built gsr motor, all external mods. Pushing pretty close to 500HP drives it to work whenever its not snowing. but this is a dumb argument anyways. we are both right.

also ford escort lx with like 2 grand put into it.

sand rt4 with all the mopar stuff and good tires.

list goes on. fwd isnt that bad, especially this ms3. back on topic ..

 

[WTF MATE]

I would love to hear which mass produced fwd daily driver is pulling 11-12 second times and is still able to handle the first left or right turn with all the added power....

I don't think anyone was reffering to a mass produced vehicle, what was being said was that an 11-12 second fwd car can be a very reliable daily driver that doesn't have to be a hassle at all to drive. I drive a 12sec N/A gsr that could be driven to work every day without a hassle if I chose to. As for making left and right turns, I don't know what people are talking about, really if you floor any car around a turn its going to produce wheel spin. Why don't they learn to drive and use this little trick called throttle control. Don't floor the freakin car when turning and you won't have a problem with it. Really I never heard so many people b**** about a car before. If you wanted an econo box why buy a sports car. Are you gonna complain if you own a Porshce that its to powerful because it spins the tires in a strait line.

 

[Evo Scooter]

so because the car is fwd you dont want alot of power? It just means you have to learn how to drive and not act like you wife and complain about torque steer. of course it has torque steer, its fwd just hold onto the wheel. your car isnt that fast lol plenty of people daily drive 11-12 second fwd cars to work everyday.

I autoX and I watch a lot of cars with too much power totally lose control (FWD, RWD and AWD). Remember power without control is useless. That is why Mazda limits power in the first two gears, to avoid wheelspin and keep control of the car. I don't mind more power but I want it balanced with the ability to control it.

As for my wife this is her first FWD car and it requires a totally different driving style than a RWD car. She has never felt torque steer so it did surprise her. She is definately not complaining about the power now that she has had three weeks to get used to it. My three previous DSMs gave me plenty of torque steer, thank you very much.

By the way you sound like an SRT4 driver. Maybe you should put that attitude in check.

 

[Evo Scooter]

I don't think anyone was reffering to a mass produced vehicle, what was being said was that an 11-12 second fwd car can be a very reliable daily driver that doesn't have to be a hassle at all to drive. I drive a 12sec N/A gsr that could be driven to work every day without a hassle if I chose to. As for making left and right turns, I don't know what people are talking about, really if you floor any car around a turn its going to produce wheel spin. Why don't they learn to drive and use this little trick called throttle control. Don't floor the freakin car when turning and you won't have a problem with it. Really I never heard so many people b**** about a car before. If you wanted an econo box why buy a sports car. Are you gonna complain if you own a Porshce that its to powerful because it spins the tires in a strait line.

Most people who mod their cars to give them 11-12 second cars also do work on their SUSPENSIONS to make sure the car can HANDLE. If not they will end up going sideways into a wall. As for throttle control I have plenty thank you very much. But in the heat of a AutoX run sometimes things get away from you so you want a little safety margin.

Wow I was getting such a good feeling about this forum until just about now. you guys definately sound like SRT4 drivers.

 

[WTF MATE]

I autoX and I watch a lot of cars with too much power totally lose control (FWD, RWD and AWD). Remember power without control is useless. That is why Mazda limits power in the first two gears, to avoid wheelspin and keep control of the car. I don't mind more power but I want it balanced with the ability to control it.

As for my wife this is her first FWD car and it requires a totally different driving style than a RWD car. She has never felt torque steer so it did surprise her. She is definately not complaining about the power now that she has had three weeks to get used to it. My three previous DSMs gave me plenty of torque steer, thank you very much.

By the way you sound like an SRT4 driver. Maybe you should put that attitude in check.

If you autoX you should know that cars don't lose control because they have to much power. They lose control because they are going to fast and because the driver pushed their limits and lost control. There is no problem being able to control the power this car puts down. This is by far one of the easiest FWD cars I have ever driven. In fact I think its rediculous all the limitations they put on this car, probablly for the reason that they don't want to be reliable for dumbasses not knowing how to drive and thinking they can just hold the gas pedal to the floor the whole time. And since we're talking about wives driving, my wife thinks this car is slow, she thinks that Mazda is retarted for limiting the boost, because it takes away from driving experience. And if your wife hasn't had any problem driving RWD vehicles than I don't see why she should have any problem driving this because it should be a lot simpler. Oh and congrats on your DSM's giving you torque steer, like I said before you can floor just about any FWD car and get torque steer that includes a geo so imo anyone that has had there license since the 90's should be used to it by now considering that almost every vehicle since then has been FWD.

 

[WTF MATE]

Most people who mod their cars to give them 11-12 second cars also do work on their SUSPENSIONS to make sure the car can HANDLE. If not they will end up going sideways into a wall. As for throttle control I have plenty thank you very much. But in the heat of a AutoX run sometimes things get away from you so you want a little safety margin.

Wow I was getting such a good feeling about this forum until just about now. you guys definately sound like SRT4 drivers.

Yes thats great if your suspension isn't capable enough, but the Speed 3's suspension is freakin terrific. Really why is too much power going to put you in a wall. Slow the hell down before you turn, it's not that hard of a concept. And as for AutoX, whatever, I did that s*** when I was 16 if you want to push your car's limits join the NASA or similar and take it on a real track, not that parking lot crap. I'm not dogging you for wanting to not mod your car and maybe get used to it before you give it more power but don't blame that on the car not being able to handle it. The car is fine, it seems like the drivers are the ones having the problems. As for this forum, there's nothing wrong with it. And I have never owned a dodge in my life so I don't know who your reffering to as an SRT4 owner, really sterotyping certain vehicle drivers into a catagory now, that's real mature, how bout we get ignorant towards the honda drivers to right away.