ls1 fd drifting

[Roywhitep5]

http://www.lukelonberger.com/media/ncda/thundergrip_luke_drift.wmv

pretty ******* cool imo

 

[mikeyb]

That is awesome! On a side note one of my Nissan buddies is putting a LS1 into a 260z.

 

[boostisgood]

What a shame. A perfect Fd ruined with junky GM s***.

 

[Roywhitep5]

ls1 is better

 

[UnNaturalinc]

What a shame. A perfect Fd ruined with junky GM s***.

Yeah, eff LS1 swaps. It just looks so dumb to see a straight by the books Japanese piece of art and that stupid redneck sound coming from it.

As if THREE MOVING PARTS is too complicated. yank

boost = replacement for displacement.

Least the vehicle is doing something cool. :-/

 

[Mike R]

I bet the LS1 is more reliable. And cheaper to maintain/fix if something does happen.

I don't know much about drifting, but I also would think that a high HP NA motor would be easier to drift with. I would think the power delivery would be easier to deal with than a small displacement turbo motor...

But, still. Why can't they just use a camaro?

 

[Roywhitep5]

the v8 swap provides better fuel economy,awsome low end touque, better reliability, only adds a smal amount of weight to the front(i think) and it has that awsome v8 snarl

 

[TampaSport20]

That is awesome! On a side note one of my Nissan buddies is putting a LS1 into a 260z.

I wanna do that myself...not necessarily an LS1, but a 280Z with a smallblock chevy engine in it....

 

[UnNaturalinc]

the v8 swap provides better fuel economy,awsome low end touque, better reliability, only adds a smal amount of weight to the front(i think) and it has that awsome v8 snarl

Drift cars are not built around fuel economy.... And a rotary vs. a V8 is going to be comparable with fuel economy anyway I would speculate. You can run 500 or whatever horsepower on stock primary injectors and have bigger secondary injectors on the 13B. Therefore, you stay out of the boost, you will have reasonable fuel economy. A Camaro on a freeway will get decent fuel economy largely because of the 6th gear. Neither are not going to get amazing fuel economy in town/stop and go driving. But power uses fuel and that's what race cars are built for... their power and performance.

The weight of an LS1 and a 13B are similar from what I understand, I have not ever verified that myself though. The RX-7's get their close to 50/50 weight distribution based on where things sit. The entire motor is right over and behind the front axle line. I think the V8's sit a little further forward. It's close however.

I also think if you're rebuilding your own motors it'd be much cheaper to do so with a 13B. There's a lot less parts that break and need replaced.

And even so..... Is "the easiest way" the correct way? Not really. Racing and winning is more about doing something different and being innovative. Coming up with newer and better ways of doing things, not just throwing a big motor at it. It's not impressive in the least bit to strap some V8 into a lightweight Japanese car to make it fast. That's the cheap and easy way out of it. There's also more to your power numbers than just the number. How you got to that number means more. That's how I see it anyway. :shrug: I'd say I'm biased on the subject too... I will admit.

 

[Roywhitep5]

i like my race cars how i like my women, cheap & easy!

 

[TampaSport20]

the MASSIVE amount of torque the LS1 makes it pretty attractive as a swap....plus the reliability of pushrods.....a rebuild on a 13B is easier, yes, but the LS1 will require it a LOT less often....

I LOVE rotaries, and I can't stand GM, but I can see how the swap can make sense

 

[dominoy2k1]

damn that car sounds awesome. if i had money id prolly do the swap on an rx7.

 

[UnNaturalinc]

the MASSIVE amount of torque the LS1 makes it pretty attractive as a swap....plus the reliability of pushrods.....a rebuild on a 13B is easier, yes, but the LS1 will require it a LOT less often....

I LOVE rotaries, and I can't stand GM, but I can see how the swap can make sense

Yeah, totally... I can see why someone would do it. But...........

 

[pluto316]

Oh come on, get over it people. The LS1 is one of, if not, the best motor in production performance-to-cost wise you can get. Who ever heard of putting an American motor into a great handling car? That's ******* stupid, right?

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[Roywhitep5]

Yeah, totally... I can see why someone would do it. But...........

convert damn you!! convert!!!!!!!!!!

 

[UnNaturalinc]

convert damn you!! convert!!!!!!!!!!

Check yoself fool!

What board are you on here, son!?

 

[Roywhitep5]

neither rotary nor v8. neuteral territory imo

 

[UnNaturalinc]

There is in fact a rotary section on this board. Rotary = Mazda. Not to mention this is the Mazda Forums, isnt it?

 

[Mallard]

I also think if you're rebuilding your own motors it'd be much cheaper to do so with a 13B. There's a lot less parts that break and need replaced.

There are fewer moving parts, but they break more often. How many 500HP rotaries have you seen up close and personal? There were ~5 of them around Columbus (where I used to live) that I would see almost weekly. First off, a 500HP rotary sounds OBNOXIOUS! I haven't met one person that ever said, "Damn, that sounds better then that Z06 over there!" If you see any racing videos with "NOCAB" turn up the volume and you'll know what I mean. He didn't even have an extreme port on his. Seeing as how you're in OR and you've mentioned Pineapple Racing before, I assume you know what a ported rotary sounds like. They built pretty much everyone's engines in Columbus.

Also, pushing 500hp on a turbo 13B is asking for trouble. I haven't seen any survive for large amounts of time, especially when compared to an LS1 that runs forever.

And even so..... Is "the easiest way" the correct way? Not really. Racing and winning is more about doing something different and being innovative. Coming up with newer and better ways of doing things, not just throwing a big motor at it. It's not impressive in the least bit to strap some V8 into a lightweight Japanese car to make it fast. That's the cheap and easy way out of it.

So it more innovative to throw more boost at an engine then to engineer an entire engine and tranny swap that leaves the car just as balanced and has a broader powerband?

There's also more to your power numbers than just the number. How you got to that number means more.

You're right, and area under the curve matters most. What's the HP and torque curves of a 500HP rotary look like?

I don't hate rotaries, and I'm not trying to flame you. But I do find arguements like, "That's an American POS" ignorant and unfounded, especially when talking about the LS series of engines. All I ever hear ricers say is, "Look at all the work he has in his car. I don't like it, it's ugly as hell, but props on how much time you've put into it. At least it's different." Yet I haven't seen one person take that stance on anything else. Why can't you just appreciate the amount of work that went into this car to make it faster and more reliable, while keeping it as well balanced as it was from the factory?

 

[UnNaturalinc]

Yeah, rotary powered cars always sound like crap IMO. I'll admit that. But again, cars are not built around the end sound. That's kind of a moot point in regard to the debate though.

There's plenty of 500hp RX cars out there. And to say that's asking for trouble can be said about ANY motor where you double the power. They last just fine if they're tuned and set up properly. The same with any car. People like to eff around with their settings and ping them. That's why you can find blown RX cars for super cheap because in many cases people don't know what they are doing...

I see what you are saying however... and I can appreciate it. I've only done Mazdas in my "tuning life" and you're from Detroit... So we are going to see things differently. lol