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- 06 LS MS6
07 BM GT (shell has been struck from the roll)
JSPEED vs. JBARONE STS Plates **THE FACTS**
- Thread starter JBR
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- 2007 MS3
That's the joy of getting old. I completely forgot about that until you mentioned it. You`re almost exactly a year older than I am.
Reason to buy JBarone. This dude knows his s***! He obviously has a huge amount of knowledge about his product, and the fact that he took the time do this writeup clearly states that he is a firm supported of his design, even after seeing the competition and getting criticism. Plus, the customer service is great, and the product could sell its self. If you dont have one, buy one.
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- 06 LS MS6
07 BM GT (shell has been struck from the roll)
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- 2007 MS3
I think that was a typo. Notice how close the "d" is to the "r" on your keyboard?
Then again, "he is a firm supporter of his design"?
That does kind of go without saying, Captain Obvious.
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- 06 LS MS6
07 BM GT (shell has been struck from the roll)
right, precocious little feller isn't he ?
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- 2007 Mazdaspeed 6 Sport
No, no... he was trying to say that Jamie needs to be firmly supported.(boobs)
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- 06 LS MS6
07 BM GT (shell has been struck from the roll)
Dey gots pilzz fo dat
wow, lol. you guys need to get something to do. Im trying to help the dude out and all you can do is criticize. tisk tisk tisk
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- 2007 MS3
I know I planned on pics, but events conspired to make that impossible. My DSLR is broken (of course no one in the house has any idea how that happened) and the pics I took with my cell phone are so blurry you can't read the numbers or even see the pointer I attached to my shift lever.
The numbers I have are lower than JB's, because I measured from lower on the shaft, but the percentage change should still be the same.
I used a tape measure, which in theory could go to 32nds of an inch, but I decided that was ridiculous and rounded everything up to the next 16th. The distances are from the center column. I was careful to pick a repeatable spot to put the end of the tape so things would be consistent.
Please remember that my measuring location is much lower than JB's so the throws are shorter.
I ended up with percentages that are closer than JB's, but still show a significant difference between the two parts. I did this three times because I don't believe that JB would have offered to let someone do this test if he didn't expect the same results that he got. I ended up with the same percentages (give or take a point or two - shifter slop) every time. I cannot account for the difference between my results and his. The starting numbers are distance from the center console.
*******Stock**JBarone**Jspeed
Neutral**7.875**7.625****7.5
Third****6.25***6.5625***6.25
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Throw***1.625***1.0625***1.25
******JBarone****Jspeed
******1.625******1.625
******-1.0625****-1.25
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Change**.5625*****.375
Change divided by original gives percentage change.
.5625/1.625 = 35%
.375/1.625 = 23%
So my measurements show that
JBarone reduces throw by 35%.
Jspeed reduces throw by 23%.
I have spoken with Jamie on the phone and he is eager to get the JSpeed unit back so that he can perform the test again to see either where he went wrong or if he gets the same results.
Bear in mind that shifter slop and variations from car to car could account for much of the difference in results. The main thing to take from this is that there is a significant difference between the two, it just looks like that difference isn't quite as big as originally thought.
The numbers I have are lower than JB's, because I measured from lower on the shaft, but the percentage change should still be the same.
I used a tape measure, which in theory could go to 32nds of an inch, but I decided that was ridiculous and rounded everything up to the next 16th. The distances are from the center column. I was careful to pick a repeatable spot to put the end of the tape so things would be consistent.
Please remember that my measuring location is much lower than JB's so the throws are shorter.
I ended up with percentages that are closer than JB's, but still show a significant difference between the two parts. I did this three times because I don't believe that JB would have offered to let someone do this test if he didn't expect the same results that he got. I ended up with the same percentages (give or take a point or two - shifter slop) every time. I cannot account for the difference between my results and his. The starting numbers are distance from the center console.
*******Stock**JBarone**Jspeed
Neutral**7.875**7.625****7.5
Third****6.25***6.5625***6.25
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Throw***1.625***1.0625***1.25
******JBarone****Jspeed
******1.625******1.625
******-1.0625****-1.25
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Change**.5625*****.375
Change divided by original gives percentage change.
.5625/1.625 = 35%
.375/1.625 = 23%
So my measurements show that
JBarone reduces throw by 35%.
Jspeed reduces throw by 23%.
I have spoken with Jamie on the phone and he is eager to get the JSpeed unit back so that he can perform the test again to see either where he went wrong or if he gets the same results.
Bear in mind that shifter slop and variations from car to car could account for much of the difference in results. The main thing to take from this is that there is a significant difference between the two, it just looks like that difference isn't quite as big as originally thought.
GhostMercury
Member
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- MazdaSpeed 3 08.5
Would the rotus mod have any effect? I was wondering if it would from the begining
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- 2007 MS3
The only way to get an absolute mathematical comparison would be to get the mechanical drawings for each mod and for the factory setup and do the math. This would remove the slop and tolerance issues from the comparison.
I tried to measure the raw pieces but did not have access to calipers so I could not get repeatable measurements that way.
I tried to measure the raw pieces but did not have access to calipers so I could not get repeatable measurements that way.
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- 2007 MS3
No chance. My version does not remove the original ball stud.
Stamperman
Member
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- Mazdaspeed3 & Mazda5
Speaking from an engineering side, typical rule of thumb is that a tapped hole on an aluminum piece should have a depth of 1.5 to 2 times the diameter of the bolt. Based on that I would pick the one with the nut on the backside as I don't think 4 threads in aluminum plate is going to cut it in the long run.
Just my $0.02. And yes, I'm an engineer.
Just my $0.02. And yes, I'm an engineer.
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First it is important to me that I thank Mid_Life for taking the time out of his busy schedule and time away from his family to perform this test.
I think we all owe him a big round of applause. (yippy)(yippy)(yippy)(yippy)
Now Id like to address the differences in our calculations. I was very prepared for 1-2 percent swing in numbers, thats just how I expected things to differ. I was not expecting for there to be a ~5% difference with the JSPEED. So with that said I will recheck all the calculations and try to figure out where and how the #s are different.
Im human and if I made a mistake I will acknowledge it. Those of you that know me, know Ive always been honest.
Thanks,
Jamie
I think we all owe him a big round of applause. (yippy)(yippy)(yippy)(yippy)
Now Id like to address the differences in our calculations. I was very prepared for 1-2 percent swing in numbers, thats just how I expected things to differ. I was not expecting for there to be a ~5% difference with the JSPEED. So with that said I will recheck all the calculations and try to figure out where and how the #s are different.
Im human and if I made a mistake I will acknowledge it. Those of you that know me, know Ive always been honest.
Thanks,
Jamie
October of '59 for me. I guess I'm on your team. lol
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- 06 LS MS6
07 BM GT (shell has been struck from the roll)
Awsome! guess us fifty Y/O's need to stick together
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- 2007 MS3
I know some of you are very curious to see what JB has to say regarding the differences in our measurements. For those that are chomping at the bit, I apologize. Life has been a little hectic the last couple of days and I finally got around to shipping the JSpeed plate back during lunch today, so you will just have to hang in there a while longer.
Will you not post your results?
