Japan Weaking American Mazdas..?

J dragon

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04 Mazda 6i
Is it true that the japanese Limit mazda's Performance for the Americans? :'( ..it's a rumor that many people around me have said..your thoughts (rockon)
 
It's true for all Japanese imports. Either they don't get the car here at all (like the Nissan Skyline GTR), or they come later, like the Honda/Acura Type-Rs, Mitsu EVO and the Subbie WRX
 
J dragon said:
Is it true that the japanese Limit mazda's Performance for the Americans? :'( ..it's a rumor that many people around me have said..your thoughts (rockon)


It's not so much that they weaken the performance it's just that the gas quality in Japan is much higher with a higher octane rating, generally in the high 90s to 100s so they can tune more power out of the engine with more advanced timing and higher compression ratios. You just can't do this with US market cars and expect them to last very long. They need to be able to work and run with US spec gas and emissions regulations. This results in a detuning of the engine to help promote longevity.
 
i believe they market 2 american standards and regulations. if the car cannot meet these standards and regulations, it cannot b marketed for the US.
 
american cars have to meet more stringent crash and emissions standards so manufacturers are discouraged from importing them.
 
Actually, the octane rating overseas is just different rating system, honestly. 100 octane RON (Researched Octane Number) is actually aproximatly 95 octane, at most. 98 RON is most common for premium in Japan, which equates to 94 octane PON (Pump Octane Number). PON is derrived from MON+RON/2=PON. MON is motor octane number. The variance in foreign fuels is typically higher, so it can be up to 2 ratings of difference, which equates 98 octane overseas to aproximatly 92-96 octane here, the same as the premium we get on the East Coast. If you take a look at Sunoco 93 octane tests (which I can't find the link to right now x.x), they typically actually test to 95 PON, which is better than most. Mobil ranged right around 94, Chevron's 91 about 93, and so on. So, we get comparible gas here. =) Tuning is just a matter of emissions standards, safety/crash standards, and acceptible environmental performance variance, typically. Since the climate and elevation in the Yoo Ess of Aaye varies SO much between state to state, and so on, the ECU's have to be 'sloppily tuned' to function under a variety of conditions. Bumper regulations for foam thickness, density, crash resiliance and rebound also have to be passed upon import, and so on.

It also doesn't help that your average American wants a car that gets him back and forth to work without spilling his coffee, and with minimal thought involved in the driving process, we get slower, less 'edgy' cars here. It's all a matter of supply and demand; If people demand a luxoyacht out of even the most economical of cars, suddenly the demographic turns that way, and luxury options become standard, and performance options become depricated, despite what the lower portions of the demographic have to say.

Ahh, well. =)
 
Well said!! That is pretty much the answer. The cars get detuned to meet our emitions and saftey regulations. Now as far as the whole ECU comment, I have experinced that myself. My fiance's Saturn(its not an import, but still) was getting awesome gas mileage here in Oregon(we live at about 600 feet above sea level) when we moved to Carson City, NV(about 4600 feet) our gas mileage took a HUGE s***...almost by half.

flat_black said:
Actually, the octane rating overseas is just different rating system, honestly. 100 octane RON (Researched Octane Number) is actually aproximatly 95 octane, at most. 98 RON is most common for premium in Japan, which equates to 94 octane PON (Pump Octane Number). PON is derrived from MON+RON/2=PON. MON is motor octane number. The variance in foreign fuels is typically higher, so it can be up to 2 ratings of difference, which equates 98 octane overseas to aproximatly 92-96 octane here, the same as the premium we get on the East Coast. If you take a look at Sunoco 93 octane tests (which I can't find the link to right now x.x), they typically actually test to 95 PON, which is better than most. Mobil ranged right around 94, Chevron's 91 about 93, and so on. So, we get comparible gas here. =) Tuning is just a matter of emissions standards, safety/crash standards, and acceptible environmental performance variance, typically. Since the climate and elevation in the Yoo Ess of Aaye varies SO much between state to state, and so on, the ECU's have to be 'sloppily tuned' to function under a variety of conditions. Bumper regulations for foam thickness, density, crash resiliance and rebound also have to be passed upon import, and so on.

It also doesn't help that your average American wants a car that gets him back and forth to work without spilling his coffee, and with minimal thought involved in the driving process, we get slower, less 'edgy' cars here. It's all a matter of supply and demand; If people demand a luxoyacht out of even the most economical of cars, suddenly the demographic turns that way, and luxury options become standard, and performance options become depricated, despite what the lower portions of the demographic have to say.

Ahh, well. =)
 
Canadian figures, as most/all North American figures, will be PON. Sunoco Here sells (Hard to find, but they still do) a 97 PON fuel and a 104 PON leaded/unleaded fuel, too, but it's super expensive, usually found near race tracks, and quite bad for your car if used too much, in the leaded form.

The variance in elevation problems used to suck worse with carbed cars; They just don't work right at all if you fluctuated elevation or temperature too much, at which point you had to re-adjust them... Uugh. I hate carbs so bad. x.x
 

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