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[Donas64]

So is there any case of this condition happening to a stock MS6?

or how about an MS6 modded with Mazdaspeed parts?

 

[Speed6 Guy]

No mather if the mods wher done by Mazda. theres no excuse for this turbo to be leking by the oil seals even if it is a small leak.

I see a turbo upgrade in my future.

Seeing you say this takes all the wind out of your sail for me. If you are going to put and aftermarket turbo (witch will void every warrantee in the book) on then why b****. For those of us not planning this, if there is a smoke issue lets document it and get something put together to send to Mazda and see if we can make a difference. Dont just sit and b****, join together so our voice is heard. Not rise up with gunss blazin.

Also there are too many threads that go off on tangents and dont have good discussion and this is becoming one of them.

 

[Rawyzf]

Seeing you say this takes all the wind out of your sail for me. If you are going to put and aftermarket turbo (witch will void every warrantee in the book) on then why b****. For those of us not planning this, if there is a smoke issue lets document it and get something put together to send to Mazda and see if we can make a difference. Dont just sit and b****, join together so our voice is heard. Not rise up with gunss blazin.

Also there are too many threads that go off on tangents and dont have good discussion and this is becoming one of them.

Well put Mod.

 

[tru-boost]

i must agree that i am HIGHLY dissappointed in the way mazda setup these cars. why put on a turbo that is inefficient even in stock form ?? then the slightest power increase from a little bolt on puts it well past its abilities, and causes it to burn up....... great engineering !! and controlling boost by closing the throttle plate ??? who the hell thought of that brilliant idea.
so now at high rpm not only do you only have 5psi but you also only get 50-70% throttle opening. i though my MS3 was going to be great off the bat and just need a few bolt ons to be awesome...not the case. i will have to do EXTENSIVE modding to make this car what it should have been from mazda.
any car that smokes like mine just from an exhaust (mine is catted) has issues, and is made with poor quality.

 

[DSMConvert]

so have we ruled out the pcv as the oil leak culprit? If yes then let me know and I'll bring it up to the service advisor. I have to go there tomorrow for the fuel door and my car is stock, so if its the turbo seals are leaking I can pull my intercooler pipe off tonight and take pics to show them.

 

[Booster]

I can't tell you how munch I agree with you!

i must agree that i am HIGHLY dissappointed in the way mazda setup these cars. why put on a turbo that is inefficient even in stock form ?? then the slightest power increase from a little bolt on puts it well past its abilities, and causes it to burn up....... great engineering !! and controlling boost by closing the throttle plate ??? who the hell thought of that brilliant idea.
so now at high rpm not only do you only have 5psi but you also only get 50-70% throttle opening. i though my MS3 was going to be great off the bat and just need a few bolt ons to be awesome...not the case. i will have to do EXTENSIVE modding to make this car what it should have been from mazda.
any car that smokes like mine just from an exhaust (mine is catted) has issues, and is made with poor quality.

I can't tell you how munch I agree with you!

 

[skylinemonster]

I can't tell you how munch I agree with you!

I agree with you guys. For everyone else, stop saying its not that type of car. A subaru legacy is NOT that type of car, and with less horse off the assembly line, it takes less money to get more power than us. The fact is Mazda aimed for it to be THAT TYPE OF CAR, and they have fallen short. You do not make a vehicle all wheel drive, turbo charged, 1600psi fuel pressure, 6 speed for nothing, then badge it as speed.

Go by the v6 if you are hesitant in touching the vehicle, or worried about warranties, b/c frankly i can care less about a factory warranty now. I'm tired of finding out everyone has the same problems across the board and doing nothing. I have 3 dealerships now i am in contact with who's service managers know me by first and last name because I raise my voice and don't buy the bulls*** and I voice record everything and you should just here the reasoning/explanations they have for problems. It will almost make you laugh if you know just a little bit about automotive engineering.

 

[Killer]

I agree with you guys. For everyone else, stop saying its not that type of car. A subaru legacy is NOT that type of car, and with less horse off the assembly line, it takes less money to get more power than us. The fact is Mazda aimed for it to be THAT TYPE OF CAR, and they have fallen short. You do not make a vehicle all wheel drive, turbo charged, 1600psi fuel pressure, 6 speed for nothing, then badge it as speed.

Most all car makers design and build cars for the General Public. Whether you want to believe it or not, car buyers that mod brand new cars are the MINORITY of buyers. You mention the AWD, Turbo, fuel pressure...etc. This car far outperforms its 4 and 6 cylinder Mazda 6 cousins...so it deserves the "Speed" badge.

Go by the v6 if you are hesitant in touching the vehicle, or worried about warranties, b/c frankly i can care less about a factory warranty now. I'm tired of finding out everyone has the same problems across the board and doing nothing. I have 3 dealerships now i am in contact with who's service managers know me by first and last name because I raise my voice and don't buy the bulls*** and I voice record everything and you should just here the reasoning/explanations they have for problems. It will almost make you laugh if you know just a little bit about automotive engineering.

Again, you are in the minority. Most buy a new car for the peace of mind a new car warranty brings. When they buy a car they know they can enjoy the performance and all the reasons the bought the car for and it will be warrantied until they have had it a few years.
If you think you and maybe 20 other guys on Internet Forums are going to get new engines, free repairs etc., because the engine smokes after putting turbo timers, downpipes, removing federally mandated smog control devices...well you are just dead wrong. Sorry...that's just the way it is.

Good luck...(usa)

 

[skylinemonster]

Most all car makers design and build cars for the General Public. Whether you want to believe it or not, car buyers that mod brand new cars are the MINORITY of buyers. You mention the AWD, Turbo, fuel pressure...etc. This car far outperforms its 4 and 6 cylinder Mazda 6 cousins...so it deserves the "Speed" badge.



Again, you are in the minority. Most buy a new car for the peace of mind a new car warranty brings. When they buy a car they know they can enjoy the performance and all the reasons the bought the car for and it will be warrantied until they have had it a few years.
If you think you and maybe 20 other guys on Internet Forums are going to get new engines, free repairs etc., because the engine smokes after putting turbo timers, downpipes, removing federally mandated smog control devices...well you are just dead wrong. Sorry...that's just the way it is.

Good luck...(usa)

My problem is with a 30,000 dollar investment having problems and a company with poor service and support. That's all and the reason I am not satisfied is because I have paid much less in the past and have had much more. You live and you learn. The mazdaspeed 6 is a good looking car, it goes, it rides nice and has nice quality interior, but so do many other vehicles. I bought it because my father works at ford. I can't stand american built machines. Ford in the states really does not have anything to offer as it does in Europe. So to stay in the ford family, mazda was the lesser of 2 evils, and the speed 6 was the max you could get without looking silly in a hatch. I just look at things from a larger scale and when you compare mazda to everyone else, from a performance ENTHUSIAST's perspective, it is lagging.

 

[DaPortugee]

So is there any case of this condition happening to a stock MS6?

or how about an MS6 modded with Mazdaspeed parts?

Yes, mine was basicly stock. magnaflow mufflers and a CAI. nothing that would affect the smoke. Mazda replaced it without question.

 

[Killer]

My problem is with a 30,000 dollar investment having problems and a company with poor service and support. That's all and the reason I am not satisfied is because I have paid much less in the past and have had much more. You live and you learn. The mazdaspeed 6 is a good looking car, it goes, it rides nice and has nice quality interior, but so do many other vehicles. I bought it because my father works at ford. I can't stand american built machines. Ford in the states really does not have anything to offer as it does in Europe. So to stay in the ford family, mazda was the lesser of 2 evils, and the speed 6 was the max you could get without looking silly in a hatch. I just look at things from a larger scale and when you compare mazda to everyone else, from a performance ENTHUSIAST's perspective, it is lagging.

This I can agree with.(mswerd) But I must ask, what mods have you done on your car?

 

[wannabe]

too much drama in this thread. if you're not happy with your decision, take it up with Mazda. as stated previously, the only way they will do anything is with your car stock. and with that, i'm out.
*unsubscribes*

 

[DSMConvert]

daport..did replacing the turbo fix the leaking though? I think the general thing here is to determine if its merely a design flaw that mazda has acknowledged and can fix though an updated part replacement, or if we'll have to go aftermarket turbo to eliminate the oil leak.

 

[hellcat]

i must agree that i am HIGHLY dissappointed in the way mazda setup these cars. why put on a turbo that is inefficient even in stock form ?? then the slightest power increase from a little bolt on puts it well past its abilities, and causes it to burn up....... great engineering !! and controlling boost by closing the throttle plate ??? who the hell thought of that brilliant idea.
so now at high rpm not only do you only have 5psi but you also only get 50-70% throttle opening. i though my MS3 was going to be great off the bat and just need a few bolt ons to be awesome...not the case. i will have to do EXTENSIVE modding to make this car what it should have been from mazda.
any car that smokes like mine just from an exhaust (mine is catted) has issues, and is made with poor quality.

Did you know about the MSP? A similar problem there I think. Mazda's are notoriously expensive to sponge power from. (newer models anyway)

 

[DaPortugee]

daport..did replacing the turbo fix the leaking though? I think the general thing here is to determine if its merely a design flaw that mazda has acknowledged and can fix though an updated part replacement, or if we'll have to go aftermarket turbo to eliminate the oil leak.

it stopped the smoke but with the stock cats in place. My point here is everyone isnt talking about the same issue.
There is a problem with defective turbos like mine that smoke too much because they leak TOO much.
It sounds like there is a little smoke which Mazda considers normal that you should only see with out the cats or with one hiflo.

You guys need to determine which one you have because Mazda will replace it if it is defective. If smoke is billowing from your car that is a defective turbo regardless of exhaust changes and should be replaced.

Maybe I just have a good dealer but they never even tried saying that my smoke was normal.

 

[tru-boost]

well i have my factory exhaust back on now....and no smoke !!
this sucks ...i want to put the turbo back on but it smokes like crazy ?!
i wonder why this happens. is it always burning oil and you only see it with a better exhaust, or does it only burn oil with the better exhaust.
and a better question... is it the turbo blowing oil, or does the engine naturally burn oil ?

 

[Snafu]

For the guys that are seeing the smoke...how much oil are you guys using over 3k miles?

 

[ssinstaller]

For the guys that are seeing the smoke...how much oil are you guys using over 3k miles?

I have never noticed any oil loss. I think it's just a very small amount of oil seeping past the seals, it's not flowing or even dripping past the seals..

 

[Skywlkr]

Hey Guys I am going to the dealer today (in about an hour) and I have a meeting with the New England regional service manager about some other warranty issues that the dealer would not fix so I got in touch above them. I would like to discuss this issue with him while I'm there for everyone. Please let me know what exactly I should speak to him about and what answers you guys are looking for.

sorry for the late post, just saw the thread.

 

[Killer]

Good luck.