i wentr to ripleys and they said my speed3 has stock 2'1/2 inch "manderal bend" pipeing (expensive) witrh 2 cats and 3 resiantors but no real mufflers. They said they have never seen that on a stock car. The guy said he would leave is alone. So to get a beneifit is the mazdaspeed performance exhuats 3:inches manderal bend, i know cpe 's version is. Appreciate some feed back.(friday) (drive)