Is 08 the end of the MS3

[AutoXRacer]

Like others have said, you have to understand that the MS3 not about sales or volume...
It's about a special edition vehicle...that is usually released at the end of a production model...

Mazda 3 is getting a face lift...

This is what happened to the Protg and the Miata...

And I'm really thinking the next Mazdaspeed will be the RX-8 since its going out or getting a face lift.

Mazdaspeed is not about making sales...its about releasing a wild design to knock off the other car manufactures socks...
Its a marketing scheme!! And a last woo-rah (like someone previously said) for a model run...

Most people do not buy Mazdaspeeds, they buy Mazda3s...
Its kind of like a end of model run mascot...

 

[VermZ06]

Well, you have to understand that its not about sales...
It's about a special edition vehicle...that is usually released at the end of a production model...

Mazda 3 is getting a face lift...

This is what happened to the Protg and the Miata...

Mazdaspeed is not about making sales...its about releasing a wild design to knock off the other car manufactures socks... Its a marketing scheme!!
The one to get the most props wins!!!!

Most people do not buy Mazdaspeeds, they buy Mazda3s...
Its kind of like a mascot...

Am I explaining myself correctly...?

Well I'd say that it is about making sales and these cars get more of a niche market into their showrooms. It's a way of giving one last spark into the model lineup before they kill it off or reinvent it.

Also Mazdaspeed models typically only go for a two year runs save the MSP 2003 I don't really count the .5 as another year, Mazdaspeed Miata 2004/2005, MS6 2006/2007, MS3 2007/2008

 

[Adammazda06]

Furai.

yeah that concept is going to be the talk of the town when it is shown. i saw it on edmunds a day or two ago.

 

[camrycev6]

I don't believe they actually appricate at all. My understanding is that depreciation is absed on a mathematical forumla of age, cost at time of purchase, and a few other factors. However, that doesn't mean the cost itself doesn't go up. Cars like the Enzo and Carrera GT and other super exotics are seller market cars. Its not like someone can say...I don't want to pay X Million, so I'll go somewhere else to buy it.

Desire and cost don't equal apprication of cost.

All I know is that older Corvettes, Ferrari's, Mustangs, etc., that are in good condition, always sell for far more than they were purchased. I think this is primarily because they are old, still cool, were performance vehicles at the time they were sold, and very rare. I think if any car can satisfy all four of those, it will always be worth more down the road. Now be honest, what stock car in Mazda's public lineup can claim all of those? I just don't see someone paying a lot of money for a vintage MS3. There is no reason why they would become suddenly rare... and while I think they are cool, they don't have the universal appeal as some classic sports cars.

 

[AutoXRacer]

All I know is that older Corvettes, Ferrari's, Mustangs, etc., that are in good condition, always sell for far more than they were purchased. I think this is primarily because they are old, still cool, were performance vehicles at the time they were sold, and very rare. I think if any car can satisfy all four of those, it will always be worth more down the road. Now be honest, what stock car in Mazda's public lineup can claim all of those? I just don't see someone paying a lot of money for a vintage MS3. There is no reason why they would become suddenly rare... and while I think they are cool, they don't have the universal appeal as some classic sports cars.

You can't compare a vintage Corvette or Mustang, especially a Ferrari to a Mazda...come on!!!!

Cars will no longer appreciate in value like the cars of the 50s and 60s; unless its a collectors/exotic car to begin with...

Cars now a days are massed produced and have no value...they are disposable... You can buy first year Vipers for dirt cheap these days, if thats any clue.

Anyway, our MS3 will never carry the value of an exotic or vintage automobile... It might not lose its value as quickly as a regular 3 though...

 

[Sierra117]

You can't compare a vintage Corvette or Mustang, especially a Ferrari to a Mazda...come on!!!!

Cars will no longer appreciate in value like the cars of the 50s and 60s; unless its a collectors/exotic car to begin with...

Cars now a days are massed produced and have no value...they are disposable... You can buy first year Vipers for dirt cheap these days, if thats any clue.

Anyway, our MS3 will never carry the value of an exotic or vintage automobile... It might not lose its value as quickly as a regular 3 though...

Even those old cars have zero worth. All it would take is the general design blueprints and schematics and you can reproduce one today. The vehicle itself has not appriciated at all. A classic car is worth no more today than it was back then. You aren't paying for the car, your paying for the emotional appeal and desire you have for it. Unless your telling me that the price of basic building materials of cars has sky rocketed since then.

 

[Young Roids]

Limited production BLAH BLAH BLAH... Collector car BLAH BLAH BLAH I don't give a ****, I want the MS3 to be mass produced so we will get more parts available and more aftermarket support like the EVO and STI.

 

[Sierra117]

Limited production BLAH BLAH BLAH... Collector car BLAH BLAH BLAH I don't give a ****, I want the MS3 to be mass produced so we will get more parts available and more aftermarket support like the EVO and STI.

(mswerd)

 

[fourthmeal]

I think they might rethink their standard 2 year Mazdaspeed process with the MS3 due to overwhelming success with it. Mazda isn't making a ridiculous profit, so the best thing to do is to keep making profitable cars.

 

[importgirl212]

Mazda has 3 contenders for the next mazdaspeed vehicle...Mx-5 with about 250hp, the rx8 with approximately 300-390 hp, and the cx7 with approximately 367hp...

Apparently the Miata club is pushing for the Mx5, the Rx8 would be some what dumb IMO because of insurance purposes (since it's one of the highest premium vehicles, slap a turbo on that and that's gonna be more than the car payment) and the cx7 would just be a gas guzzling son of a gun.....all would be pretty cool.....But the Miata is probably what's going to get the badging once again....

 

[AutoXRacer]

Limited production BLAH BLAH BLAH... Collector car BLAH BLAH BLAH I don't give a ****, I want the MS3 to be mass produced so we will get more parts available and more aftermarket support like the EVO and STI.

Oh hell no, I didn't buy a Mazdaspeed to see one on every traffic light corner... I want exclusivity damn it!!!!
Aftermarket support is plenty right now... I'm happy with it.
What else do you want? You got FMIC, TMIC, intakes, fuel pump, exhaust, tubular headers, full TBEs, ECUs, suspension mods, etc... What else do you need?

I think they might rethink their standard 2 year Mazdaspeed process with the MS3 due to overwhelming success with it. Mazda isn't making a ridiculous profit, so the best thing to do is to keep making profitable cars.

Guys, Mazdaspeed is not about profits!!! Its about designing the perfect car!!! Its a design challenge!!!
Something that the company can flaunt!!! I can't believe you guys own Mazdaspeeds and don't know what Mazdaspeed stands for... Mazdaspeed is about racing heritage, soul of racing, and uniqueness... Its not some dumb ass mass produce generic car that can be found at rental car places!!

Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Mazdaspeed is Mazda's in-house race and street car tuning arm. It began in 1968 as "Mazda Sports Corner", a tuning and racing operation run by Takayoshi Ohashi, who also ran Mazda's Tokyo distributor. They competed in numerous events at home and abroad, and they were also competitive at the 24 Hours of Le Mans races in the early 1980s with the 717, 727, and 737 before Mazda brought the group to Hiroshima in 1990. In 1991, Mazdaspeed's 787 won at Le Mans, a feat no other Japanese team has managed.
After the FIA effectively outlawed the Wankel engine the next year, the Mazdaspeed team turned away from professional racing and focused instead on enabling third-party competition of Mazda vehicles. Mazda assumed control of Mazdaspeed in 1999 as a tuning and performance parts operation within the company. In 2003, Mazda debuted its first consumer offered Mazdaspeed vehicle, the 2003 Mazdaspeed Proteg. It was only released to the North American market as an upgrade to the Proteg MP3 and it offered more power — from the MP3's 140 bhp (104 kW) to 170 bhp (127 kW) — by using a T25 Callaway-Garrett turbocharger and an intercooler. A year after, in 2004, another Mazdaspeed model was offered, the Mazdaspeed MX-5 Miata; it too was released only in the North American market. It featured an IHI single-scroll turbocharger producing 8.5 psi of boost to further increase power, from 142 bhp (106 kW) to 178 bhp (133 kW) and torque from 125 ftlbf (169 Nm) to 166 ftlbf (225 Nm). Mazda soon realized that these high performance models could be successful outside of North America and would make the next vehicles available worldwide.
In 2006 the Mazdaspeed 6 was released globally; it featured the most powerful piston engine ever produced by Mazda at 274 bhp (204 kW) and all-wheel drive. For the first time Mazda didn't cease production of a Mazdaspeed vehicle after its first year of production, as it had with the Mazdaspeed Proteg and Mazdaspeed MX-5 Miata. A 2007 Mazdaspeed 6 model joined a new vehicle, the Mazdaspeed 3 — which, with 264 bhp (197 kW) and 280 ftlbf (380 Nm) of torque, was the most powerful vehicle in its class.

Mazda has 3 contenders for the next mazdaspeed vehicle...Mx-5 with about 250hp, the rx8 with approximately 300-390 hp, and the cx7 with approximately 367hp...

Apparently the Miata club is pushing for the Mx5, the Rx8 would be some what dumb IMO because of insurance purposes (since it's one of the highest premium vehicles, slap a turbo on that and that's gonna be more than the car payment) and the cx7 would just be a gas guzzling son of a gun.....all would be pretty cool.....But the Miata is probably what's going to get the badging once again....

But remember, the Miata is not getting a face lift any time soon... Mazdaspeed is usually at the end of a model run...

 

[importgirl212]

not necessarily, the 6 is still in production, annnnddd the full sized mazda 6, will probably be going MazdaSpeed too (eventually)....or so Car and Driver sees it that way....plus mazda has thrown some curve balls...with the 08.5 change for the Mazdaspeed3's and Mazda3's...

 

[Sierra117]

Oh hell no, I didn't buy a Mazdaspeed to see one on every traffic light corner... I want exclusivity damn it!!!!
Aftermarket support is plenty right now... I'm happy with it.
What else do you want? You got FMIC, TMIC, intakes, fuel pump, exhaust, tubular headers, full TBEs, ECUs, suspension mods, etc... What else do you need?

There is nothing exclusive about a car that costs 27k fully loaded.

 

[AutoXRacer]

not necessarily, the 6 is still in production, annnnddd the full sized mazda 6, will probably be going MazdaSpeed too (eventually)....or so Car and Driver sees it that way....plus mazda has thrown some curve balls...with the 08.5 change for the Mazdaspeed3's and Mazda3's...

Mazdaspeed 6 was already out and its already gone... The 2008.5 change for the MS3 is just that 2008.5 mid year change...First quarter 2008 though the end (3rd quarter) of 2008 model year. Model year started 3rd quarter of 2007.

There is nothing exclusive about a car that costs 27k fully loaded.

Its not about the price... Its about what it stands for...

Now I see you guys have no respect for what went into your cars...
Oh well...

 

[importgirl212]

adammazda06....I think the next Speed vehicle will be the Miata....but i'm leaning obviously towards the hardtop being the speed....considering the reinforcement mazda will prolly have to do....however, i'm honestly not sure...i'm anxious to find out...

AutoXracer....that was an unnecessary comment regarding respect, however it is your opinion and you are entitled to it

 

[Young Roids]

Now I see you guys have no respect for what went into your cars...
Oh well...

I love my MS3 but I wouldn't mind having it become more common. I don't see evos at every corner when I see an evo it is still a rare thing for me. It would probly get even more respect as a car if they made it every year. I mean the evo is one of the most respected cars around while no one even really knows what a mazdaspeed3 is.

 

[importgirl212]

There is nothing exclusive about a car that costs 27k fully loaded.

In general, I believe the Mazda Family, is an exclusive group of people. We are the epitome of "young at heart" .....for all that you get for 27K IMO is an amazing thing....that's why we are what we are! Reliability, and excitement for a great price.

 

[AutoXRacer]

AutoXracer....that was an unnecessary comment regarding respect, however it is your opinion and you are entitled to it

I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way... But it seems that most people just think of it as just another cool car...not knowing the heritage behind Mazdaspeed and what it means to have that nameplate on a car...

I guess being an engineer makes me appreciate the design and challenges that had to be overcome to release a car like the MS3...and all other Mazdaspeed vehicles for that matter...
Look at the SRT-4 Caliber...thats a half-asses design if you ask me...yeah its more powerful than our MS3s, but thats about it. Our MS3 and all Mazdaspeeds are balanced; handling, power, smoothness, ergonomics, and feel of the vehicle and road...you don't get that in any other car... If you drive other car brands, you'll notice you are disconnected from the vehicle and the road.

Its like the commercial says...its a car company with soul...soul of race cars.

OK, I'll stop preaching now... Sorry...(outie)

 

[importgirl212]

I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way... But it seems that most people just think of it as just another cool car...not knowing the heritage behind Mazdaspeed and what it means to have that nameplate on a car...

I guess being an engineer makes me appreciate the design and challenges that had to be overcome to release a car like the MS3...and all other Mazdaspeed vehicles for that matter...
Look at the SRT-4 Caliber...thats a half-asses design if you ask me...yeah its more powerful than our MS3s, but thats about it. Our MS3 and all Mazdaspeeds are balanced; handling, power, smoothness, ergonomics, and feel of the vehicle and road...you don't get that in any other car... If you drive other car brands, you'll notice you are disconnected from the vehicle and the road.

Its like the commercial says...its a car company with soul...soul of race cars.

OK, I'll stop preaching now... Sorry...(outie)

...passion, it's a beautiful thing...

 

[ChopstickHero]

Trey Cobb told me at SEMA that they are planning on putting the MZR into the the next Miata/MX-5. I don't know if it will be a mazdaspeed or not.

mmm... i would love a Mazdaspeed Miata with hardtop and a turbo'd 2.0L DISI ... i assume power would stay in the 230hp range to keep it from flying off the road! add a skirt package, tight suspension and you'll have it eating up unsuspecting ricers.