TitanGray03.5
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I mean they should have that f'n stuff on their website
iON or spool
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Geoffsurfs
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what kind of horse poser gain do you see with these ic's on the MSP?
grab a recent turbo mag and see for urself..... if i remeber correct it was about 20 whp on stock boost? full exhast and fmic should be done before rasing boost, its simple to think that a intake or mbc is good cus its cheaper and still offers the gain but then u deal with the stock system, which isnt good at all....plus if u already have a full exhuast and fmic when u boost more ull feel it alot more and have much better responce....just common sense....go to any supra,rx7,240sx,evo,sti site and ask why u should get a exhast and fmic before rasie boost...bet u get the same asnwer provided by perf, ion, and myself......
Ion- Then, if the primary reasons for the FMIC are heat soak prevention and to safely prepare for higher boost levels, would you still reccomend this as a first mod for a flashed MSP? Now that my car is flashed, ( and i think i am starting to regret that) running boost levels any higher than 9.5 psi is a bad thing, correct? Therefore, the only advantage the FMIC would give me is heat soak prevention. I am just trying to figure out what I should do. I am getting ready to spend a a couple grand on my car over the next 2 or 3 months, ( I have the mod bug and a nice contract job on the side for the next several months ) and I am very new at the whole modding scene. I am ready to start modding and spending, but I need some education on the subject. 
Also, when are you gonna get something up on that website of yours? It would be nice to have it as a place of referance when I want to research and compare products that I am considering buying. HINT HINT.
Also, when are you gonna get something up on that website of yours? It would be nice to have it as a place of referance when I want to research and compare products that I am considering buying. HINT HINT.
u will see a nice gain in whp as well, the heat soak prevention is a nice by product and reson for the gain in whp 
on stock boost i think u get around 20whp , ion can verify the specific amount but as u rasie boost ull see even more...the more air ur pumpin the more that gets cold and then more whp....if u want reibalty worry free power, get the ic
on stock boost i think u get around 20whp , ion can verify the specific amount but as u rasie boost ull see even more...the more air ur pumpin the more that gets cold and then more whp....if u want reibalty worry free power, get the ic Few things here to think about.Leonardo said:Ion- Then, if the primary reasons for the FMIC are heat soak prevention and to safely prepare for higher boost levels, would you still reccomend this as a first mod for a flashed MSP? Now that my car is flashed, ( and i think i am starting to regret that) running boost levels any higher than 9.5 psi is a bad thing, correct? Therefore, the only advantage the FMIC would give me is heat soak prevention. I am just trying to figure out what I should do. I am getting ready to spend a a couple grand on my car over the next 2 or 3 months, ( I have the mod bug and a nice contract job on the side for the next several months ) and I am very new at the whole modding scene. I am ready to start modding and spending, but I need some education on the subject.
Also, when are you gonna get something up on that website of yours? It would be nice to have it as a place of referance when I want to research and compare products that I am considering buying. HINT HINT.
IMHO ok so here it goes. This is based on fact and my personal experiences.
I like to go with FMIC and upgraded piping first. ION touched on the heatsoak problem so i wont dwell on it. It is VERY important. A denser cooler mixture to the head port is very importnat and key to preventive detonation. The denser the air charge the more oxygen molecules in the cumbustion chamber. This with the right octane fuel and ignition lead will help suppress detonation and keep you boosting "healthy." Look there is alot more to it but we should start a thread on it in the forced induction section. It gets very techinical. No problem going thru it but the info i dont think would get out there stuck in this thread. So its just a few basics im relaying.
Exhaust will be second. Some dont really understand why a good exhaust is important to a turbo car. You see the small or should i say large restriction ( in the MSP case) of the turbine inlet creates backpressure and excess heat at mid and high rpms. Your EGT'S skyrocket when going full boost for a few seconds. The discharge side is restrictive. Never mind the cats and then the resonator and "no flow" muffler.
In order to "relieve" some of the pressure built up we increase the diameter size of the DPipe. This increases the pressure differential between the inlet and discharge side. Since some of the pressure is released quicker and more efffectively then we spool the turbo much quicker too. THIS IS where you uncork your stock power.
AFTER those two mods you start with MBC and cams and such. But when you get to that part of the equation you need to think of fuel management. At that point i would like to see how much fuel the system can provide before going into extremes. Again it gets a little technical. NOT that people here wont understand its just it isnt the right thread or forum for it.
Point in question is that the car NEEDS to run more efficiently FIRST then you increase the process in which it consumes the A/F mixture.
Regards Nick
[syko.xero]
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im gonna go iON's turboback exhaust first then try out an intercooler
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It took about 10 weeks to get my FMIC, I had to call and call to find out where my stuff was. When I ordered they said it was backordered a week. After everything showed up there was no directions, the kit has been out for several months. We do intercooler kits everyday at the shop, we never have to just guess how it goes together.
It took about 10 weeks to get my FMIC, I had to call and call to find out where my stuff was. When I ordered they said it was backordered a week. After everything showed up there was no directions, the kit has been out for several months. We do intercooler kits everyday at the shop, we never have to just guess how it goes together.
