Injen CAI (In case some of you didn't know)

[jebus]

i am talking about dealer cost guys
not if you buy it
I can get stuff for dealer cost also since my friend owns an import shop here in dallas

 

[vividmaz3]

i am talking about dealer cost guys
not if you buy it
I can get stuff for dealer cost also since my friend owns an import shop here in dallas

well i do work for Vivid Racing so getting parts next to cost isnt far fetched. Now all I need to do is save up for a Kenstyle Body Kit

 

[xenon929]

i am talking about dealer cost guys
not if you buy it
I can get stuff for dealer cost also since my friend owns an import shop here in dallas

Well then, hook us up with some prices on a group buy. ;-) (yes)

 

[goldwing2000]

so cost is going to be around $100 then?

No... he said manufacturing cost is $100. Dealer price is higher and retail price is higher still. They have to make a profit, you know...

 

[dannyboy]

keep us posted on a group buy, i'm sure the company will make a pretty good profit if a bunch of us on the boards get in on a quantity deal.

 

[Aleksander_t]

Will this intake be only for the 2.3L or will it be for both 2.3 and 2.0 ?

 

[Jpasta]

ya if they dont make it for the 2.0, im gonna custom make one for mine, and then sell the b****

im sure no one has made s*** for the 2.0 yet

 

[jebus]

the intake is in the same position on the 2.0 as the 2.3
you wont get the same gains but the intake should work

 

[Da 6]

Injen sends cels as a cai on both 3 and 6 2.3.....injen claimed they never recieved one because they never tested the intake more than 20 miles. it takes 100 miles for the intake to throw a cel...they claimed to researched the problem and ended up getting a heat shield to stop the cel problem...I have a short ram that never threw a cel and I converted it over and the cel came back. and if the intake is anything like the 2.3 for te 6 then injen is gonna run you $239 and aem is some where in the same area for consumer price. Wait a lil bit and ebay will sell them for like $189 aem. make shure it says cai and not short ram...or you will be like me...

 

[mazda3zoom]

Injen sends cels as a cai on both 3 and 6 2.3.....injen claimed they never recieved one because they never tested the intake more than 20 miles. it takes 100 miles for the intake to throw a cel...they claimed to researched the problem and ended up getting a heat shield to stop the cel problem...I have a short ram that never threw a cel and I converted it over and the cel came back. and if the intake is anything like the 2.3 for te 6 then injen is gonna run you $239 and aem is some where in the same area for consumer price. Wait a lil bit and ebay will sell them for like $189 aem. make shure it says cai and not short ram...or you will be like me...

what the hell does throw a cel mean? (uhm)

 

[goldwing2000]

what the hell does throw a cel mean? (uhm)

Illuminates the Check Engine Light.

 

[mazda3zoom]

Illuminates the Check Engine Light.

OHHHHHH i get it now.haha (hand)

 

[lasermp5]

nice... I wanna see one installed now. I've never ever been dissapointed with mine... injen is a good company.

 

[Da 6]

injen is a good company.

It's not the quality of the product but the maf and pcm going bonkers at the gained hp....
in technical terms.....

Check Engine Light is thrown when the engine compares the Short Fuel Trim to the Long Fuel Trim and finds greater then a 9% difference. The Short Fuel Trim is basically a realtime collaboration of data, which is a reflection of the current air/fuel ratio. The Long Fuel Trim is based on a default map (which is reset anytime you pull the negative battery cable, or reset your cel's with a scanner) and changes after each drive cycle by taking the SFT's data into itself.

Thus the computer has the capability to adapt its settings over time to a variety of conditions. If a change is introduced (more air from a CAI for example), and the SFT changes by a significant amount, the PCM marks a possible problem as a pending code. If two concurrent drive cycles occur the PCM throws a check engine light, to let you know a difference is occuring.

This Cel does not necessarily mean that damage occuring...only that a difference has been noted. Based on UOA's (used oil analysis's) this difference is not changing or effecting engine wear in any way, shape, or form. Even with the additional air, at no point does the A/F ratio reach a dangerous "lean" condition.

Here are some A/F readings from the original injen intake. 14.7:1 is optimal fuel effiency. 13:1 is optimal power delivery. Anything below 13 is rich.

@ 2500 rpm: 14.8
@ 3000 rpm: 12.8
@ 3500 rpm: 12.5
@ 4000 rpm: 11.9
@ 4500 rpm: 11.5
@ 5000 rpm: 11.0
@ 5500 rpm: 10.6
@ 6000 rpm: 10.2
@ 6200 rpm: 10.2

 

[Mach 1]

11 hp gain...hihi...lmao...not gonna happen.

 

[Da 6]

11 hp gain...hihi...lmao...not gonna happen.

the air box is restrictive...the resonator is restrictive....VVT reponds...if you choose to not get one or ignore dynos what more can we say.

 

[Mach 1]

are you talking exhaust mods also, or 11 hp from the intake alone? If you choose to believe all the "marketing hype" these companies put out to get your dollar, and believe thier exagerated claims, what more can we say..

 

[Da 6]

the resonator and air box (On the 3 and 6) are way more restrictive than you may think

 

[Mach 1]

they may be restrictive, but 11 hp is quite a lot. From all my experience building engines, I would not believe it. If its true, great, but I wouldnt count on it.

 

[The Other Tom]

It's not the quality of the product but the maf and pcm going bonkers at the gained hp....
in technical terms.....

Check Engine Light is thrown when the engine compares the Short Fuel Trim to the Long Fuel Trim and finds greater then a 9% difference. The Short Fuel Trim is basically a realtime collaboration of data, which is a reflection of the current air/fuel ratio. The Long Fuel Trim is based on a default map (which is reset anytime you pull the negative battery cable, or reset your cel's with a scanner) and changes after each drive cycle by taking the SFT's data into itself.

Thus the computer has the capability to adapt its settings over time to a variety of conditions. If a change is introduced (more air from a CAI for example), and the SFT changes by a significant amount, the PCM marks a possible problem as a pending code. If two concurrent drive cycles occur the PCM throws a check engine light, to let you know a difference is occuring.

Good Analysis. Thank you. So, if we do get a CEL, just keep on driving and eventually the STF = LTF (or at least they're within 9% of each other) and the CEL will automatically reset ?