dougefresh_
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I'm getting a delay from CL to OL when I first dip into WOT (and few rows into WOT). It only happens in the first gear I go WOT in, and then stays in OL as it should for further WOT shifts/gears. Everyone told me to 1/2 my CL exit loop delays, which I did, and it did nothing. After pouring over all my logs, I figured out what was going on. I noticed the ECU would not go into OL until I breached a calc load of 200. Everywhere, always. When I look at my CL max load table A thru D, I saw that Max Load A, B, and C start out with the abs load of 2.0 up to about 2,000rpms. I was thinking of lowering these values a bit, however I noticed in the "closed loop Max throttle" tables B, C, and E are set to 75% throttle position, but tables A and D are set to 110%!! If the car exits CL when either the max load is breached OR the max throttle position is breached, I'm thinking I can just bring down tables A and D to 75%, and voila, whenever I go beyond 75% throttle, I'll immediately transition into OL and avoid this delay. I'm thinking that it switches from CL to OL when either A) the calc load value is breached OR B) the throttle position exceeds the set %. Has anyone tried this?
I don't know why tables A and D would be set beyond 100% (and thus not allow OL at lower calc loads), but I'm guessing fuel economy. I looked at the stock map, and the CL max throttle positions are exactly the same as the stage 2 OTS maps (B,C,E at 75%, and A,D at 110%). Any thoughts on this?
EDIT: I just realized this is pretty much the reverse of the "ECU Load Cap shattered thread" on msf, however I'm personally not experiencing the load cap (seen calc load of 267!) so I'm just trying to get into OL when I dip into WOT, so it will target my OL/WOT Command EQ No knock table values. I'm running rich as hell so it's not a biggie until I lean it out, (I saw AFR's of almost 16 on the dyno last weekend at dip in because I was still in CL). I since upped my MAF curve over 2.3 volts by +1.03, and I'm not going lean at dip nor the few rows into WOT where I'm stuck in CL. However, I'd rather lean it out quite a bit, but I want her into OL before WOT first.
EDIT 2: I added the following to the msf "ECU Load Cap Shattered Thread" which should prevent you from changing back to CL while under WOT:
FINALLY. For those of you who changed all your CL max load tables to 1.1:
Comparing the CL max load exits, note the various abs load values. As stated in the .pdf in post 1, all the table values are dropped to 1.1 abs load. However, if you look at each table, only CL Max Load Table C has a high hump in it, which goes up to an abs load of about 2.0 (calc load of 200%). Again, this is where where you transition into OL (calc load of 200%, which is where you go into OL).
The rest of the abs load values are far lower than that (below 1 acutually), and note how low the abs load for table D is… is practially nothing. I think it is table D that keeps you in OL as you make further shifts at WOT… when you shift, your cacluated load usually drops (and can drop a lot), but you stay in OL because it switches to the D table which keeps OL at any abs load greater than 0.5 (calc load of 50%). So I think the “load cap trick” will also work if you only decrease table C (perhaps just copy table A or B table into table C). Plus, I forget who it was, but they said that they went back into CL for a second during WOT shifting. If you adjusted all the CL Max Load tables to 1.1, look at your calculated load where you transitioned back to CL. I bet ya $100 it dipped below a calculated load of 110% if all your CL max load tables were set to 1.1. If you leave table D alone (with the 0.5 switcherou) this won’t happen (unless you shift very slowly, and the calc load drops below 50%).
I hope you find this helpful, and Thanks for you input!!
Thanks for your input!!
I don't know why tables A and D would be set beyond 100% (and thus not allow OL at lower calc loads), but I'm guessing fuel economy. I looked at the stock map, and the CL max throttle positions are exactly the same as the stage 2 OTS maps (B,C,E at 75%, and A,D at 110%). Any thoughts on this?
EDIT: I just realized this is pretty much the reverse of the "ECU Load Cap shattered thread" on msf, however I'm personally not experiencing the load cap (seen calc load of 267!) so I'm just trying to get into OL when I dip into WOT, so it will target my OL/WOT Command EQ No knock table values. I'm running rich as hell so it's not a biggie until I lean it out, (I saw AFR's of almost 16 on the dyno last weekend at dip in because I was still in CL). I since upped my MAF curve over 2.3 volts by +1.03, and I'm not going lean at dip nor the few rows into WOT where I'm stuck in CL. However, I'd rather lean it out quite a bit, but I want her into OL before WOT first.
EDIT 2: I added the following to the msf "ECU Load Cap Shattered Thread" which should prevent you from changing back to CL while under WOT:
FINALLY. For those of you who changed all your CL max load tables to 1.1:
Comparing the CL max load exits, note the various abs load values. As stated in the .pdf in post 1, all the table values are dropped to 1.1 abs load. However, if you look at each table, only CL Max Load Table C has a high hump in it, which goes up to an abs load of about 2.0 (calc load of 200%). Again, this is where where you transition into OL (calc load of 200%, which is where you go into OL).
The rest of the abs load values are far lower than that (below 1 acutually), and note how low the abs load for table D is… is practially nothing. I think it is table D that keeps you in OL as you make further shifts at WOT… when you shift, your cacluated load usually drops (and can drop a lot), but you stay in OL because it switches to the D table which keeps OL at any abs load greater than 0.5 (calc load of 50%). So I think the “load cap trick” will also work if you only decrease table C (perhaps just copy table A or B table into table C). Plus, I forget who it was, but they said that they went back into CL for a second during WOT shifting. If you adjusted all the CL Max Load tables to 1.1, look at your calculated load where you transitioned back to CL. I bet ya $100 it dipped below a calculated load of 110% if all your CL max load tables were set to 1.1. If you leave table D alone (with the 0.5 switcherou) this won’t happen (unless you shift very slowly, and the calc load drops below 50%).
I hope you find this helpful, and Thanks for you input!!
Thanks for your input!!
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