I am going Turbo

JcsMP3 · Jul 18, 2002

Hi there guys,

Well I have made the decision today that I will start piecing a turbo set up for my car. It will be my friend and I doing it. I trust him as he built a 190 Whp ZX3 with only an overheating problem but that was because he burnt a resistor for his radiator fan.. but anyways...

I have read almost every post on Turbo's. That makes me a beginner none the less. I am no pro when it comes to mechanics but I do know the basics. Meaning I have done some light work on cars before... cams, cam timming. lifters springs... brakes... that kind of stuff... no overhauls or anything... not yet anyways...

I would like to know what is the biggest problem people had putting a turbo on the MP3. Any turbo Newbie advice is appreciated...

This is for real I am really getting ready for this Turbo.. I can't screw this up as I only have enough $$ to try this once. Any tips, recommendation is greatly appreciated.

I am going to run about 8 psi for street use and 10 for track and dyno. I will be using an FMIC as well. I plan on getting an oil cooler as well.

Thanks in advance guys.

JC

1sty · Jul 18, 2002

welcome to the boost side.

big_ben · Jul 18, 2002

I truly recomend spoolin's tubular manifold. You will not find another manifold that is better performance wise and quality. The cast iron manifold from the BEGI kit might last a lifetime, but the flow will be crap. I expect spoolins manifold that I bought to last at least 8 to 10 years or more without cracking. It is also almost just as cheap to get his starter kit than to get one of the pre-made kits out there. Also, this is the way I see it. You are already going to be spending in excess of $2000, what's another $500 or so when you are spending that much. You might as well get the best quality of everything you can. Good luck on your turbo. I'll tell you how mine runs after this weekend hopefully.

spoolinmp3 · Jul 18, 2002

Ahhh another boosted junkie......joining he is....the darkside

Thank you Ben for the kind words...glad to have a satisfied customer!

JcsMP3 I think you have made a wise choice. There is no single power adder as prominent as a turbo on our rides. Feel free to ask me and others about all the little "tricks" of making a forced induction application work on your ride. It is so rewarding to put a system together, that you know was your effeort. This also allows for you to use the best quality parts vs the kit approach. Serouisly anyone can just go buy a kit .........but when some body asks me what brand of 'kit' is that? I proudly respond fully custom

For example you have total control of what materials and parts you utilize such as aluminum thin walled intercooler pipes vs thick steel or nice show quality front mount intercoolers vs 'kit' intercoolers that are not so purty. I am not knocking people buying a kit. Kits are great but thats not what I particularly care for. Kits are mass produced and have cost effectivness and economics in mind...inturn this shows up in some of the parts that come with a kit. Again I am not bad mouthing any particular manufacturer of kits and think that it is great that we are getting the badly needed attention from the aftermarket manufacturers!!

I would like to know what is the biggest problem people had putting a turbo on the MP3. Any turbo Newbie advice is appreciated...

I will gladly help you troubleshoot along the way. My biggest problem was my car running rich and the situation with check valves. But once this was ironed out, my baby is running like a beauty. Installation is easy and straight foward. You may have to modify the radiator line from the block to the radiator. I reccomend you to install the manifold and turbo then tapp the oil pan and run all oil lines to the turbo. Once this is done(this is actually the hard part) the rest is fairly simple. Depeneding if you want an intercooler or not the charge pipe plumbing has to be fabbed. I reccommend unless you are a welder...to tow your car with the turbo already installed to a good and willing fab shop or muffler shop to measure and weld in all the charge pipes, down pipe and if running a FMIC to bracket it up and connect it. Then all is needed is to clamp everything down hook up your fueling system, guages and crank her up!!! Then you need to tune the beast.....stay tuned for partII

herarety · Jul 19, 2002

spoolinmp3 said:
Depeneding if you want an intercooler or not the charge pipe plumbing has to be fabbed. I reccommend unless you are a welder...to tow your car with the turbo already installed to a good and willing fab shop or muffler shop to measure and weld in all the charge pipes, down pipe and if running a FMIC to bracket it up and connect it. Then all is needed is to clamp everything down hook up your fueling system, guages and crank her up!!! Then you need to tune the beast.....stay tuned for partII

What do you mean by 'charge piping' ?
And how would you install the turbo without piping?

<=pretty turbo ignorant

big_ben · Jul 19, 2002

I recommend going to Barnes and Noble and buying Maximum boost by Corky Bell. This book will clear LOTS of things up for you. It will give you a full understanding of how to build and install a custom turbo system. It's like $35 there, but online it's like $20 something.

JcsMP3 · Jul 19, 2002

Thanks guys for all the advice.....

It is greatly appreciated. I will be piecing this turbo as of today, anyone see any great and amazing deals on a turbo or anything else required for this will be greatly appreciated. My friend has that book it's just a matter of days before he lends it to me. That was his first recommendation as well.

I have noticed that the MP3 has the timming issue.

Does anyone know how much more advanced our timming over the P5 is?

If I would swap my MP3 ecu for the P5 ecu would that help the advanced timming issue? I know I can get the J&S ultra safeguard to protect against that but what if I was to simply make money selling my ecu and trading it for a P5 ecu.

Just a thought...

Jc

big_ben · Jul 19, 2002

If I would swap my MP3 ecu for the P5 ecu would that help the advanced timming issue?

Yes it will help, but only to about 6 or 7 psi. I'm also thinking of doing the same thing. I know chdesign is in the market for the MP3 ecu. I'm going to try mine out first before I make any decisions. I also need to know if the normal ecu has a knock sensor. As for where to get good deals for your parts. I will say this, BUY A NEW TURBO! Don't buy one from ebay! As for the rest of the parts, go to ebay and look before you pay full price for the part you are looking for. For instance, the Vortech 10:1 FMU that I'm using is like almost $200 new, I bought mine for $117 on ebay. My BOV is $170 new, $119 on ebay, boost controler, $240 new, $170 new on ebay. Just shop around for deals and don't be impulsive.

herarety · Jul 19, 2002

Hm..I'd forgotten aboot that book. I'll read it before I ask more questions

Traveler · Jul 19, 2002

big_ben said:
Yes it will help, but only to about 6 or 7 psi. I'm also thinking of doing the same thing. I know chdesign is in the market for the MP3 ecu. I'm going to try mine out first before I make any decisions. I also need to know if the normal ecu has a knock sensor. As for where to get good deals for your parts. I will say this, BUY A NEW TURBO! Don't buy one from ebay! As for the rest of the parts, go to ebay and look before you pay full price for the part you are looking for. For instance, the Vortech 10:1 FMU that I'm using is like almost $200 new, I bought mine for $117 on ebay. My BOV is $170 new, $119 on ebay, boost controler, $240 new, $170 new on ebay. Just shop around for deals and don't be impulsive.

I'm also interested in an MP3 ECU. I'm interested in seeing what kind of difference it will make on the dyno.

big_ben · Jul 19, 2002

I'll keep you in mind.

PortCityMP3 · Jul 20, 2002

big_ben said:
The cast iron manifold from the BEGI kit might last a lifetime, but the flow will be crap.

OK I admit Spoolins' manifold is the best but to say that the flow of the BEGI kit is crap??

I wish I had the knowledge about F/I that you and Spoolin have so I could build my own and If I did I would probably go with his starter kit. BUT how bout not bashing the BEGI kit for us guys that trust Corkys design and knowledge that we too will have a great F/I kit that can be built up and that we are getting a great kit for a great price.

spoolinmp3 · Jul 20, 2002

I dont think Ben meant crap...just comparitivly speaking a tubular outflows a log manifold.

BUT how bout not bashing the BEGI kit for us guys that trust Corkys design and knowledge that we too will have a great F/I kit that can be built up and that we are getting a great kit for a great price.

The begi kit is a great kit! If there is one kit on the market that I would buy it would have to be Corky Bells.

Dont feel bad Port...You will be boostin soon and thats all that matters

Stou · Jul 20, 2002

JC, welcome to Turbo world.

Ben is right about Maximum Boost, you must get this book before anything else. This will help you understand lots of turbo technic and concept.

Remember one thing.... take your time and be patient!

chdesign · Jul 21, 2002

mmmm...clouded his future is....

mikesmazda155 · Jul 21, 2002

JcsMP3 said:
Thanks guys for all the advice.....

It is greatly appreciated. I will be piecing this turbo as of today, anyone see any great and amazing deals on a turbo or anything else required for this will be greatly appreciated. My friend has that book it's just a matter of days before he lends it to me. That was his first recommendation as well.

I have noticed that the MP3 has the timming issue.

Does anyone know how much more advanced our timming over the P5 is?

If I would swap my MP3 ecu for the P5 ecu would that help the advanced timming issue? I know I can get the J&S ultra safeguard to protect against that but what if I was to simply make money selling my ecu and trading it for a P5 ecu.

Just a thought...

I do not know if this is a killer deal on a turbo, but it is a T-28.
It never hurts to check it out, it has never been used.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...item=1845263543

Let me know what you think.

Jc

mikesmazda155 · Jul 21, 2002

Try this again

I do not know if this is a killer deal on a turbo, but it is a T-28.
It never hurts to check it out, it has never been used.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...item=1845263543

Let me know what you think.

quikmp5 · Jul 21, 2002

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Sorry, had to split it up so it would fit

JcsMP3 · Jul 21, 2002

Sorry guys but neither link worked....

Jc

mikesmazda155 · Jul 22, 2002

Try this one

Correct Link

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