HPDE lapping day @ BeaveRun October 2 2011

Glad you had a good time. They say driving in the rain is the best time to learn. ;)
 
Sure made me realize what my car was capable of! Like I said, even the over/under steering was manageable. It just felt like the tires were "chattering" the whole time around the corners. I imagine that chattering would be some LOUD squealing on dry surfaces. lol
 
Some people say that if they aren't squealing you aren't driving hard enough, some people say if they are squealing you're over driving them. I'm in the "if they aren't squealing they aren't working" camp.
 
Josh you did a very good job on the last time out with everyone left. I followed you around most of the time the thing I noticed was the you were taking the hair pin a little to tight thats why you had under steer thru that corner. but thru the rest of the circuit you looked smooth. nice job!! hope to see you out there next season. I think I am done for the season unless we have nice weather for Nelsons.
 
Some people say that if they aren't squealing you aren't driving hard enough, some people say if they are squealing you're over driving them. I'm in the "if they aren't squealing they aren't working" camp.

The only opinion I've heard on the subject is from Evan, who said if they're squealing then they're losing traction, and losing traction on a track isn't good. lol Told me to lift up on the gas just a tad to get rid of it...

Josh you did a very good job on the last time out with everyone left. I followed you around most of the time the thing I noticed was the you were taking the hair pin a little to tight thats why you had under steer thru that corner. but thru the rest of the circuit you looked smooth. nice job!! hope to see you out there next season. I think I am done for the season unless we have nice weather for Nelsons.

Yea, that turn was sketchy in the rain! Maybe if it were dry, I could've carried more speed through there. But, as it was, I couldn't carry much momentum and always took forever to gain speed coming out of 11....damn car is piss slow! haha
 
The only opinion I've heard on the subject is from Evan, who said if they're squealing then they're losing traction, and losing traction on a track isn't good. lol Told me to lift up on the gas just a tad to get rid of it...



Yea, that turn was sketchy in the rain! Maybe if it were dry, I could've carried more speed through there. But, as it was, I couldn't carry much momentum and always took forever to gain speed coming out of 11....damn car is piss slow! haha


You have to take turn 11 wide and go down to second gear, once you go to a lighter flywheel and different clutch, you may be able to use 3rd gear in taking that turn. You have to let the car push put in #11, we do not have the torque to stay in close and then get on the gas, you are going up hill as well and that turn will zap your power going into #12. I should have my car back and you can follow me around and I will show you the difference. It will also help once you have neg camber in the front as well, much as yo can get.
 
When would I need to shift then? Cause 2nd gear would wind out right about the apex, and I don't want to stay at higher RPM's for too long.
 
It's a shame it was raining all day for your first track day, but then again...that kind of experience is extremely valuable. I really wish I could have made it out to watch. If I knew it was going to rain, I would have actually ran my car. The summer tires I have on my black wheels are really good in the rain, plus the rain isn't as hard on my suspension (because I wouldn't be able to push it as hard). Plus, I really wanted some wet track experience this year because I think that experience really carries over to the public roads.

Glad you had a great time and glad you were passing some nice cars haha!

That hairpin section (turns 10 and 11) definitely is a tricky one. When it was dry, my 3rd gear was perfect for that section. Although, I do have the turbo and the MS3's have loads of torque around 3200 RPMs. Actually, I think that's about where the peak of our torque curve is. Anyway...when I was running, I noticed almost everyone taking that section too sharp. The best way I figured out for my car was to do a late apex on turn 10. Then, let the car track out as far as possible to the outside of the track through 11. I would say when I hit the apex of 11, I would only be around the middle of the track continuing to let the car track out to the outside of the course. Once I was at the edge and straightened out, I would slowly cut back over towards to right side of the track (probably 3/4 of the way), which would set me up for the last left hand turn 12 leading on to the front straight. I was able to get a much higher exit speed out of that section onto the straight. I was surprised so many cars weren't taking advantage of the full width of the track there. Most of the cars would try to hold tight through 10 and 11 so they could already be setup for the slight left turn 12 onto the straight. I honestly don't think that's even necessary for our lower horsepower cars, because I was still able to take the left turn 12 on the the front straight at full throttle. I remember many times when following a car (with the same or more power) through that section, I actually had to lift off the throttle to slow down and avoid running into them at turn 12. A lot of times, they would see me right on their tail and signal to let me pass on the straight.

One of my favorite sections was turns 2 and 3. It's the down-hill right hand turn section, which is technically 2 separate turns. My instructor told me to treat those as 1 large turn. I was able to basically go full throttle through both turns in that section. I would hit the inside of turn 2 at the apex then let the car track all the way out. I would not let the wheels completely straighten out. As soon as I would hit the far left outside edge of the track, I would smoothly increase the steering angle to make sure the car hit the very inside of turn 3 at the apex. Since the steering wheel is still turned clockwise and the wheels are already aiming right, you don't even have to increase the angle very much. I would then make sure the car tracks out all the way to the left edge of the track, which would set me up perfectly for turn 4. You really do have to treat turns 2 and 3 one large turn, making sure you use every inch of the track. I'm pretty sure that by the time I hit the left outside edge of the track after 3, I was right at my braking zone and turn in point for turn 4. This is a really good turn to practice your trail braking. I learned a lot about weight distribution when braking. When you're braking, a lot of the car's weight shifts from the rear of the car onto the front wheels. If you get the timing of the braking correct, you can start your turn in as soon as the weight transfers to the front wheels. The first time I got this correct on turn 4, I was amazed at how much traction I had...and how quickly the car was able to turn into 4.
 
Yea, a dry track would've TOASTED my tires for sure with all that track time. Being wet, the only "wear" they took, was scuffing on the outside of the driver side front tire. The other tires have it a little bit too, but barely noticeable.

And I swapped my stock pads back in yesterday, I still can't believe the difference in the stopping power in comparison! lol
 
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