How much power?

[yashooa]

Powa to the wheels?

Anyone here getting 215 hp to the wheels reliably with either a MSP or a turbo / modded MP3?

Is it possible without hitting the long block with a MSP?
Can it be done with just intake exhaust ecu mods?
Do we need a larger turbo?
Cooling? Radiator, intercooler, fans etc ...
The key being under normal conditions without abusing the car every shift; can this be done and still maintain a large modicum of reliability?

If not then perhaps 190-200hp
I am afraid Ive gotten the bug after seeing that magic turd known as the SRT-4. We must answer the call. The protege while not a Ferrari is still IMO a much better car and it is our duty fellow Protegeians to make it spank the SRT-4. Because like Spicy we must be more than a pretty face. (How's that for butt kissing)



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[yashooa]

No takers?

Ah come on what about you Linux Racer?
I thought you had some mods on that MP3?

 

[Logan]

The thoughts of big power are intriguing to me as well...

I can't decide if I want my car to be stock unil the warranty is gone or not though.
I think I will get the Injen Intake (easy to remove) and probably a larger exhaust a bit later, but other than that I think I will leave 'er alone....

 

[chuyler1]

The thoughts of big power are intriguing to me as well...

I can't decide if I want my car to be stock unil the warranty is gone or not though.
I think I will get the Injen Intake (easy to remove) and probably a larger exhaust a bit later, but other than that I think I will leave 'er alone....

Same here, I bought my car cause its fun to drive, not cause I planned to soup up the engine. Maybe in a few years I'll change my mind though.

 

[slug420]

i think spoolin who has a turbo'd yellow mp3 with a big list of other mods (car is for sale coincidentally) is putting 230 to the wheels

 

[yashooa]

Zoomy Woomy

Same here, I bought my car cause its fun to drive, not cause I planned to soup up the engine. Maybe in a few years I'll change my mind though.

Oh me to but I drive 27000-30000k a year so my 75000 mile warranty will go fast. I just want my MSP to go faster
I want to know if we had to get into the long block to get 200-215 WHP.
I want to keep it all outside of the Longblock if possible.

 

[BlackMSP]

we can get 200+ just get exhaust, downpipe, intake, boost controller, larger FMIC, and perhaps some other internal mods and we could push 200+ hp with over 12 psi of boost with those mods I think.

 

[I-Am-Chris]

Cams, Head work Front Mount, Bigger Turbo, BOV!, fuel or engine management

 

[MSP Pro]

Uhh, don't want to rain on your parade, but....

The SRT-4 posted 223whp and 250 lb-ft at the wheels in SCC's dyno run. If you divide those numbers by 0.85 to account for drivetrain losses, you have 262 hp and 294 lb-ft torque. The engine is 2.4l, the curb wt. is 2870 lbs.

The moral of the story is: If you want to drag race an SRT-4 and win, you'd better get a different car than an MSP.

 

[Option]

The beauty of the MSP is in the balance of the car. You go adding a ton of power and the balance is gone. If you need an example:

1) Turn on your PS2 and throw in GT2 and drive a stock eclipse.
2) Then take it to the mod shop and double it's horsepower.
3) Take it out on the same track and see how "fun" it is to drive.

Besides, the car is front wheel drive. Have you ever driven a high torque front-wheel-drive car? It ain't pretty.

 

[mp3rican007]

In order to race the likes of an SRT-4 you would probably only need 190-200whp and about 200-210lbs of torque. All those with the MSPs, a efficient front mount, exhaust, intake, boost controller, bigger injectors, fuel pump should be enough to get you where you need to be. But number one thing in any car especially turbo cars to get power is TUNING, let me say that again TUNING, you can put all these things or anything in your car that increases hp's but if it is not tuned right, you will mess up or blow your motor i guarantee it.

Omar
www.GarageAdvance.com

 

[Antoine]

Enough lecturing...those who are happy with the stock power output or are not interested in serious power upgrades...thats cool...but you guys don't have to make it seem impossible or pointless. Have some faith...

If you understand and are prepared for the risk...I encourage those who want to push the envelope to F'in do it...don't wait for everyone else to catch on...if it was easy to push the edge...everyone would do it.

Don't give up...I'm sure we have some members that are interested in serious power upgrades.

Good luck yashooa...keep us posted!

 

[2K3 MSP]

I, like a few others here, am not willing to wait for the warranty to expire. I put about 30-35,000 miles a year on my car and don't plan on building a race car, but I do want the extra power. Before you run out and try to match the power of an SRT-4, just remember the stress you will be putting on your motor/tranny to do it...It will cost a lot to build your car, and only a few seconds to lose it all. Even if we matched the HP/torque of an SRT-4, their car will still be stock, and under warranty, while we run the risk of blowing our engines. I don't mind being the guinea pig for certain things, but finding out exactly how much WHP we can make is gonna be left to someone else...just my opinion though...

 

[Captain KRM P5]

My Protege5 is putting 170 horsepower to the wheels and 200 horsepower to the crank running 7psi. If a Protege5 can do it with a turbo setup, then I'm sure you m'speed boys are up to the task. I'm hoping once my car is back from the "ER" and gets its GReddy Profec installed that I can squeeze a little more out of her.

 

[yashooa]

Uhh, don't want to rain on your parade, but....

The SRT-4 posted 223whp and 250 lb-ft at the wheels in SCC's dyno run. If you divide those numbers by 0.85 to account for drivetrain losses, you have 262 hp and 294 lb-ft torque. The engine is 2.4l, the curb wt. is 2870 lbs.

The moral of the story is: If you want to drag race an SRT-4 and win, you'd better get a different car than an MSP.

Hmmm I dont think it is as iron clad as that but thanks for the input.


I dont Necessarily have to win just make him go WTF was that?
Most people also assume that the other guy is going to drive a perfect race in the SRT-4.
Good driving proper tuning and a little luck go along way.
And what about a super-cooling setup for the intake charge?
Like the r-134a setup on the test F150 lighting. They actually use the AC to cool the intake down. With R12 it could be toxic but now that we have R-134A it is completely safe.
True it is the test mule for the real Lightning but a interesting concept none-the-less.

 

[yashooa]

MSP PRO

Where do you get the .85 and why is it universal to all cars?

 

[MSP Pro]

Hi yashooa: The divide by 0.85 is a rule of thumb, an approximation of 15% driveline losses which accounts for engine dyno numbers being about 15% higher than chassis dyno numbers for cars with manual transmissions.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.

I wasn't trying to say it's impossible to run with an SRT-4 in an MSP, just that it's going to be a pretty big task to add 75hp and 100 lb-ft to our stock chassis dyno numbers. And then you'll probably run into modded SRT-4s, which are even more powerful.

I agree with Option: the beauty of the MSP is in the balance of the car. That's why I bought one and take it to the autox or on to a track, which are the only places you can really approach the limits of the car safely. Feeling at one with the machine and listening carefully to it communicating just where the limits are is a joyous experience.