how much can the stock size breaks hold ??

[Speed3.5]

Well, how much can the stock size brakes of MSP's can hold ?? Like up to 300hp/300tq or how can you findout/check that you need a big brake kit for MSP's ??
I was thinking of getting the EBC slotered/drilled ones w/ matching EBC pads that should give more than the stock ones but then again how good are these at around 250hp to 300hp level ??
Am I better off buying a big brake kit to cut to the chase or the EBC should be fine for the 250-300 hp level ??
Any advise ap.
thnx in adv.

 

[TheMAN]

wtf are you talking about? power and torque has NOTHING to do with the BRAKES

 

[Andrewsmc]

wtf are you talking about? power and torque has NOTHING to do with the BRAKES

yea... heh

 

[Speed3.5]

yea... heh

hmmmm
I guess i didn't explain my self. I want to know if it'll be better for me to get EBC cross/drilled type of rotors w/ matching pads stock size or upgrade to big brake kit.
How would you make the right decision on which one will be cost efficient ??
I know big brake are the best choice but why should i spent $$$$ if getting cross/drilled rotors will do the job for me ??

this is the delema i'm facing

 

[ChopstickHero]

cost efficient? just get better pads. like EBC yellow stuff

 

[Swerny]

this thread hurts my head.

If you have the $, get the BBK.

If you don't, the EBC setup is a good one.

If that's too much, like Chops said....upgrade your pads to something more aggressive like the EBC yellow, Hawk HPS or Axxis Ultimates.

Do you track your car?

 

[Velocifero]

I wouldn't get the hawks unless you track the car, they are great but need to be heated up to be good brakes and they squeel when under load, they are great brakes though on course. I don't know too much about the yellowstuff but that they are another good chioce for tracking.

 

[Swerny]

I wouldn't get the hawks unless you track the car, they are great but need to be heated up to be good brakes and they squeel when under load, they are great brakes though on course. I don't know too much about the yellowstuff but that they are another good chioce for tracking.

I have the Hawk's on the back of my car with KVR's on the front...no squeeling whatsoever.

 

[Velocifero]

I have the Hawk's on the back of my car with KVR's on the front...no squeeling whatsoever.

I can tell who is using the hps' on track, don't really know about them on the road, cept aMaff's miata and they squeel there too, only under load and not like low pad squeel

 

[Gobbracing]

If you want squeeling try GranSport 3 on the front. Lol!!
I love them for track days and autocross.

But seriously. Brakes are nothing to go cheap on when raising horsepower.
Why raise the power if you can't stop it?

 

[Speed3.5]

Gobbracing

But seriously. Brakes are nothing to go cheap on when raising horsepower.
Why raise the power if you can't stop it?

So far no autocrox experience but I do go quick and fast on highway and local roads at times which at that point a good brake set up does come in handy.

Since i'm raising the hp's i thought of upgrading the brakes as well, so far i'm going for ken's front EBC kit (which is preatty good imo), and its in my price range as well.
As far as having another choice of same/higher quality, I don't know which to consider??

P.S no squeeling needed unless it ads "perfromance"

 

[Velocifero]

I stand corrected on the HPS' being squeeky, it is the HP+ that are squeeky and they are a step up from the S'

 

[503MSP]

kvr's are a nice upgrade for the front I have them no sqeaking, and very little break dust

 

[TheMAN]

If you want squeeling try GranSport 3 on the front. Lol!!
I love them for track days and autocross.

But seriously. Brakes are nothing to go cheap on when raising horsepower.
Why raise the power if you can't stop it?

here's a better question, WHY raise the power if you can't drive fast legally?

point is, 99% of the people here won't ever track their car... and whatever "spirited runs" they do on the highway is only going to be in short bursts to maybe 110mph at the most? the stock brakes on ANY decent car these days CAN stop/slow the car down in a timely manner/distance... it's not power that affects your necessity to stop, it's your AVERAGE speed.... in otherwords, if you drive 100+ mph all the time and need to slow down and get back up to that speed on a constant basis (track driving), you NEED big brakes

the stock brakes with upgraded pads will work fine for a street driven vehicle

 

[Speed3.5]

here's a better question, WHY raise the power if you can't drive fast legally?

point is, 99% of the people here won't ever track their car... and whatever "spirited runs" they do on the highway is only going to be in short bursts to maybe 110mph at the most? the stock brakes on ANY decent car these days CAN stop/slow the car down in a timely manner/distance... it's not power that affects your necessity to stop, it's your AVERAGE speed.... in otherwords, if you drive 100+ mph all the time and need to slow down and get back up to that speed on a constant basis (track driving), you NEED big brakes

the stock brakes with upgraded pads will work fine for a street driven vehicle

that's well said/done but you know there's ppl trying to stretch things out a bit and there's where I kinda was but i'd go w/ front brake EBC kit and see whats up w/ that and go from there.

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

Its always fun to see a car going 130+ mph come to a dead stop w/ big brakes. Its so pretty. (lol2) aka The wheels stop completely and slide on tires. And w/ the suspension out for Proteges, could probably swing the back around just for kicks. Unless your a tard and do it at the wrong time/speed and flip your car.

 

[acompMSP]

Just reall quick I have read some of what people are saying and a lot of valid points have been made. When it comes to brakes you have to understand that just because the brakes are bigger it doesn't mean you are going to stop faster. Honestly unless you are doing a lot of track stuff you don't need them. Just upgrade the pads, brake lines, and the fluid. So hopfully that will help.

 

[ViDeo^_^kiD]

Just reall quick I have read some of what people are saying and a lot of valid points have been made. When it comes to brakes you have to understand that just because the brakes are bigger it doesn't mean you are going to stop faster. Honestly unless you are doing a lot of track stuff you don't need them. Just upgrade the pads, brake lines, and the fluid. So hopfully that will help.

NOT TRUE. I don't know where you people get off saying this, but some research. Big brake kits are here to stay and are here for a reason.

Lets say you have the same stock master cylinder pushing all the brake lines w/ oil to compress every piston available to the system. On a stock setup you have one piston on each caliper making friction on 11" rotors all the way around. Yes this is a decent setup, but you cannot tell me an upgraded brake system does not slow down your stopping distance.

What stops a car??? Friction. Nothing else. Friction of the tire, friction of the pistons pushing brake pads to the brake rotor attached to the wheel.

A big brake kit comes w/ 4 pistons compared to 1 and 2 inches for space to create friction to the surface. Now if you have not only 1...but 4 pistons pushing two sets of pads on a bigger rotor (2 pistons pushing a bigger pad on the inside and 2 pushing a bigger pad on the outside...whats going to make more friction? YOU ARE WRONG. It is the same applied force as a stock set-up....mainly just because of the master cylinder. But the same force is spread out between several pistons on a bigger surface.

If anybody who has this kit says they have the same stopping force as a stock setup...then you need a bigger master cylinder w/ more oil capacity.