how do i lower a p5 with out losing handeling
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your handling will improve when you lower your 5. that is if you do it with a good set of springs or coilovers. i have the Eibach ProKit and my car handles like a dream. i think what your refering to is ride quality. thats is a tough one. you have to sacrafice aliittle bit of comfort for the look/feel you looking for. im sure the JIC option would do you the best but its really expensive. if you can afford it, go for it
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i have eibach's...the handling is much improved, and the ride is not much more harsh than with the stock springs. well worth it IMO.
If you want the option, adjustable coilovers do wonders. I have the ground control adjustable's with eibach springs. Mine is dropped 3in front and back. Great ride quality and handling is dramatically improved all things considered. BTW, 3in front and back looks slammed.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
Nice to see someone else from San Antonio on the board. I have JIC coilovers on my car and I love them. I got mine from http://groups.msn.com/AutomotiveRD/shoebox.msnw. PM Rishie on this board at ARD MP5 and he will take care of you. I also purchased my wheels from him. Difference in price, the Ground Control are a sleeve over stock strut type design $400.00. The JIC are a fully adjustable replacement coilover suspension system $1,500.00. No comparison
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haha good description tonkabui.
I'll have the JIC's one day! one dayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
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HondaToMazda
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mp5drift said:
Hmmmmm... Getting Lowering Springs that have a little bit more agressive spring rate will help. If you just end up using your Stock Shocks, It might be worse. I would recommend getting shocks and springs if you were going to do springs in the first place. You will save labor in the end but just have to put out more money right now.
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WShade said:Nice to see someone else from San Antonio on the board. I have JIC coilovers on my car and I love them. I got mine from http://groups.msn.com/AutomotiveRD/shoebox.msnw. PM Rishie on this board at ARD MP5 and he will take care of you. I also purchased my wheels from him. Difference in price, the Ground Control are a sleeve over stock strut type design $400.00. The JIC are a fully adjustable replacement coilover suspension system $1,500.00. No comparison
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Fully Adjustable? Meaning single adjustable shocks and adjustable coil-over sleeve? Coil-Over Sleeve is a Coil Over Sleeve. JIC probably uses Ground Control or Koni Sleeves but who knows. Is the Coil Over Sleeve threaded onto the Shock Body?
See for yourself.
http://www.jic-magic.com/productsjic_susp_flta2.htm
JIC uses nothing from Ground Control No sleeves involved, the shock bodies are threaded. Camber plates incorporated into the design. No comparison 
Another look:
http://www.jic-magic.com/productsjic_susp_flta2.htm
JIC uses nothing from Ground Control
No sleeves involved, the shock bodies are threaded. Camber plates incorporated into the design. No comparison Another look:
Installshield 2
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As far as protege's aftermarket: There is absolutely no way to match spring rates with rebound/dampening rates seperately, meaning by purchasing struts and springs seperately...For the absolute best handling available JIC's are it...Tein's SS kit is good, but you cannot seperately adjust spring rate from ride height, meaning the more you lower the car, the more the spring rate increase...Look at JIC FLT-2 system like Tein's Flex sytem, but the Tein Flex's are not available for proteges as of now...
Suspension tuning is the hardest, most inconsistent part of vehicle modification...When you add parts to make your engine stronger you increase it's ouput and realize this when it throws you into the seat harder...When you build up your suspension and make it stiffer your car handles better, and you know this how? does it do better over s*** pavement? does it corner harder around different on ramps?...All this s*** aside, your decision can make or break the suspension's geometry...
If you must retain the stock struts for budget issues, don't get anything but Eibach's for springs...They offer the best compromise of ride comfort and handling power, with an decent drop...If you can go with aftermarket struts, you can also look into Tein S-tech springs or H&R's...which are much stiffer than the Eibach's for even better handling...ride will suffer a bit though...
I have never in my life recommended stock strut utilizing coil-over setups like Ground controls or Skunk 2's...they are absolute s*** for the stock struts...I am not trying to get flamed, but the only real benefit these things offer is massive drops...If the drop is kept to a mimimum, the handling will be a little better with only slight ride quality deterioration...slam your car 3"s with the stock struts and handling will suck on anything other than a glass smooth racetrack, and ride quality as well...
You need to find how much of drop you want, what kind of handling power, and what kind of ride quality...Increased spring rates require increased dampening force...Without the dampening force adjustment made by stiffer struts, the car will bounce a little when the struts are new, and within a few thousand miles become exhuasted and bounce uncontrollably..the increased spring rates push the car back to nuetral much harder and faster than the stock springs and the stock struts cannot begin to smooth out the transition...
I purchased Tein S-Tech springs, a fixed spring rate setup, and am still using them with stock struts...The shocks are dead after 5,000miles on PA roads, and bounce is embarrasing (sp?)...The handling was excellent for the first 1000 miles or so, but spring rates that are as stiff as these (the H&Rs are even stiffer) destroy wimpy strut valving very quickly... I will next purchase some Tokico Illuminas to control the rebound...
Suspension tuning is the hardest, most inconsistent part of vehicle modification...When you add parts to make your engine stronger you increase it's ouput and realize this when it throws you into the seat harder...When you build up your suspension and make it stiffer your car handles better, and you know this how? does it do better over s*** pavement? does it corner harder around different on ramps?...All this s*** aside, your decision can make or break the suspension's geometry...
If you must retain the stock struts for budget issues, don't get anything but Eibach's for springs...They offer the best compromise of ride comfort and handling power, with an decent drop...If you can go with aftermarket struts, you can also look into Tein S-tech springs or H&R's...which are much stiffer than the Eibach's for even better handling...ride will suffer a bit though...
I have never in my life recommended stock strut utilizing coil-over setups like Ground controls or Skunk 2's...they are absolute s*** for the stock struts...I am not trying to get flamed, but the only real benefit these things offer is massive drops...If the drop is kept to a mimimum, the handling will be a little better with only slight ride quality deterioration...slam your car 3"s with the stock struts and handling will suck on anything other than a glass smooth racetrack, and ride quality as well...
You need to find how much of drop you want, what kind of handling power, and what kind of ride quality...Increased spring rates require increased dampening force...Without the dampening force adjustment made by stiffer struts, the car will bounce a little when the struts are new, and within a few thousand miles become exhuasted and bounce uncontrollably..the increased spring rates push the car back to nuetral much harder and faster than the stock springs and the stock struts cannot begin to smooth out the transition...
I purchased Tein S-Tech springs, a fixed spring rate setup, and am still using them with stock struts...The shocks are dead after 5,000miles on PA roads, and bounce is embarrasing (sp?)...The handling was excellent for the first 1000 miles or so, but spring rates that are as stiff as these (the H&Rs are even stiffer) destroy wimpy strut valving very quickly... I will next purchase some Tokico Illuminas to control the rebound...
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Jliao said:
I don't know...the box said 100% made in Japan...They are Japan's biggest manufacturer of aftermarket springs and full coil-over suspension systems by far...and I have read articles about their manufacturing facilities in Japan having such sophisticated hardware that it would put Tokico, KYB, Eibach, and H&r to shame...that probably was a plug by sport compact car, but the pictures show springs and everything being created in house...
Hm... Not trying to start a debate or anything 
Well, I'm not sure..but now I think about it...Tein is actually bit cheap compare to other springs. Even lianko (new member) confirmed to me that some Tein springs are made in the manufacture in Taiwan. I mean, think about all the Japanese made car parts, the only thing that's pretty cheap is Tein springs...I wonder why?
Anybody else got a thought on this?
Well, I'm not sure..but now I think about it...Tein is actually bit cheap compare to other springs. Even lianko (new member) confirmed to me that some Tein springs are made in the manufacture in Taiwan. I mean, think about all the Japanese made car parts, the only thing that's pretty cheap is Tein springs...I wonder why?
Anybody else got a thought on this?
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Installshield 2 said:
Hmmm How can you say "but you cannot seperately adjust spring rate from ride height, meaning the more you lower the car, the more the spring rate increase" Hmmm... Hypercoil Offers 2.5" ID springs 14" springs that have the same spring rate as opposed to 4".... Ride Height is changed... Would you just want to change out your spring if you wanted to increase Spring Rate? Ride Height has nothing to do with Spring Rates. Please explain yourself?
"I have never in my life recommended stock strut utilizing coil-over setups like Ground controls or Skunk 2's...they are absolute s*** for the stock struts...I am not trying to get flamed, but the only real benefit these things offer is massive drops..."
Hmmm... Massive Drop? Hmmm.. Coil-Overs were not designed so you can make your car look as low you want. As far as it doesn't give you the ride height for the best handling purposes? So why would you say not to recommend Coil-Over kits to anyone? You just said it yourself
"You need to find how much of drop you want" how will you do that if you don't have a coil-over sleeve or a coil-over on a threaded body? Buy 4 springs before you say ohhhh thats what i want?
" I will next purchase some Tokico Illuminas to control the rebound... " Why would you want to buy Struts that aren't able to ReValve... So you would rather spend more money and buy new struts to get the same valving after the shocks are blown?
