High compression

[DooMer_MP3]

200whp N/A and 200whp turbo are to different things. How many times do you see all motor civics beating a basic bolt on turbo civic. The power bands for both cars are completely different. And the price actually should be less than a complete turbo kit. My estimations on price would be close to 2000. I believe a fmu may be the only thing you wuold need and maybe even not because mp3s run rich, and mp3 ecu is made for all motor not turbo. I am trying to sell my MP3 but if that doesnt work out the list above will definately come into play. The only problem is traction as with any front drive car.

I guess I'm curious how you can even come near $2000 with all of that stuff you have listed. Port N Polish? 5 angle valve job? Engine management? The other 10 items on your list? $2000!? .

Chris

 

[blynzoo]

Has anyone thought of (or tried) to mill the head to raise compression? It certainly wouldn't take very much to raise the ratio from 9:1 to 10.5:1.

while the head is off, you could have it ported and polished, new cams installed. I would bet that there is power to be made in the 2.0L head.

yer right on, Ryan. There is power hidden in the head in all motors, or I guess I should say hidde until the flow bench. My god, it is amazing what a little bit of shaping of the chamber, piston, and valves can do to a car's hp!! Give the air a nice, curvy (no hard corners) line to run, where it never has to make rapid direction changes, and where it doesnt have a "choice" of where to go, and your flow, even in a tiny 2.0l, is amazing. I watched a Porsche shop here in Indy (IMHO the best in the country) eek just shy of 50ft. lbs. out of a 3.6L Porsche engine. The exhaust, intake and chip were tweaked, but only to maximize the HUGE gains from flowing the head. I'm not kidding, either. 49ft. lbs. from flow bench work. This is dyno'ed at the wheels.
It is amazing. I drove that Porsche from Indianapolis to Key West, Florida.

Best.....drive..........ever.

 

[mp3rican007]

To explain my theory of 2000, I meant just the performance parts of the equation like
N/A List
Port n Polish
5 angle valve job
valve springs
retainers
camshafts
cam gears
High Comp Pistons with piston rings
Port match intake and exhaust ports
Larger throttle body or bore out factory
4-1 or 4-2-1 race header
race catalytic if need cat in certain areas
cold-air intake or ram-air set-up
fuel pressure regulator
If you cant get stuff listed above for 2000 or less your getting robbed point blank.
other items like cooling fan, radiator and etc are optional they dont come with turbo kit so they are optional add ons that would be wise on either N/A or Turbo car.

Omar
Kissimmee

 

[mp3boy1984]

where can i find valve springs, retainers, and a larger throttle body?

 

[mp3rican007]

I cant say where to find valves, springs, or retainers. For my setup, if I choose to stay with car, the gentleman that will do the head work said to give him the whole head. He does racing head for all types of motorsports out of his house. Now you say out of his house? Trust me this guy has the goods, flow bench and everything a machine shop could think of. I was skeptical at first. He uses old valvetrain sends it out to the likes of Ferrea in florida and they send him the old and the ones that fit. To say the least on a supra single turbo with t-74 turbo and fuel kit. Before and after head work at same boost level was a gain on 75 whp peak. I was like what the ..... So he knows his s***. And I would completely trust him. Only downside is being without a car, but i have the backup car just in case i decide to go ahead with project

 

[mp3boy1984]

how long does it take to get the work done, and how much for the head work? Can he do the 5 angle valves too, because i have family in Florida that i can stay with for a week or more if needed.

 

[twilightprotege]

hey guys,

i have to admit, it's FINALLY great to see people talking about work on the engine's head. bolt on this, bolt on that, 2hp increase WOW!!!!!! spend the money and get the head done, that's all i can say.

shortly i plan on getting my engine's head and intake manfiold done. ported, flowed, new valves, springs, retainers, throttle body bored, throttle body intake manifold and head matched. once that is done i'm taking all the figures to the cam guys (has a really good reputation here in australia) and they'll grind the cam specs i want (i have blanks on order atm).

this is the only way to get decent power NA, well as far as i am concerned, but also dont forget that when you do this, a turbo'd car will benefit as well.

i just have one question though, what's the difference between a 5 and 3 angle valve job?

later

twilightprotege (andrew)