calm down guys... i was being sarcastic about the energy crisis in california. my intention was to show what happens when the privatization of a commodity affects the general populace. when you get profit hungry mega-corporations running the show with no oversight or some form of restriction, it can go majorly wrong. it's called price gouging.
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so i guess your surgeon friends also like how much crap the HMO's and PPO's give them about preventative surgeries. my mentor works as the clinical director of pediatric oncology at mattel's children hospital at UCLA. over the last 10 years, he says the biggest hindrance to care has not been a lack of research, development, or even patient care. it is due to insurance companies DENYING certain procedures because of cost concerns.
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this is a common misconception of anti-universal health care people. in fact, if clinton got diagnosed in canada like he did here, he would have had priority over people who were doing the procedure preventatively or doing it as a precautionary measure. the average wait for urgent medical procedures, as conducted by a harvard team, was 2 days. of course emergencies still get top priority. if you are bleeding to death from a car accident in canada, it'll be silly to think you're gonna be put on a year long waiting list.
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Cost concerns of BEING Sued by the people who want the procedure in the first place. Insurance companies have to help cover the cost of what doctors charge because thats there job as a health insurance company. These costs ARE WAY up there because of malpractice insurance which is because more people try to make a quick buck. There are more of these people than doctors that really mess up.
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no, he didn't prevent the construction of new power plants. the power companies were building new plants and were also restoring old ones to be more efficient. at its worst, california's power plants in operation were down to 1/3 of what they normally run due to either maintenance or retrofitment and thus caused a major shortage in energy supply.
No, but womb to the tomb locked in, no choice, Commy Care is not the answer.tonkabui said:
I myself needed a MRI on my hip due to an injury but the Insurance carrier would not pay for it even with a Doctor and an Othropedic Surgeon telling them it was necessary. So to this damn day I still have a problem all because some bean counting **** in a cubicle thinks it is not economically viable to give me my MRI.
Plus I pay 5000.00$ a year for health care with my work kicking money in and that's not couting co-pays that 5 grand is if I don't even go to the doctor.
So don't preach to me but going Commy would be far worse.
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Poor innocent insurance companies, I'm sure they don't use every excuse in the book to jack up rates. They'd never deny claims on the basis of contract loopholes. They'd never rush anyone through their hospital stay in order to save on hospital bills. Insurance companies are freaking angels!
"my intention was to show what happens when the privatization of a commodity affects the general populace. (continues to babble about price gouging)"
yeah that privatization thing really has hurt us. henry ford and the production line. damn that bastard for making cheap reliable cars!!!!! if only cars cost upwards of 200k like in the old days (adjusted for inflation).. aaah that would be perfect. nevermind the advances made in healthcare from privatization *cough* *cough* penecillin was a PRIVATELY FUNDED research project. yeah the benefits of privatization are very hard to see. man i just wish the government was in charge of everything. our cars would be efficient, perfectly safe, get 2-3 miles to the gallon, be as big as tanks, and as reliable as a yugo (which if i remember correctly is a government product). this government controlling everything is a great idea!! look how well it worked for the USSR!!!! they're kickin ass right... oh damn i forgot how their economy never worked, they had to rule be fear, and they never built a damn thing that was any good except for the TWO things they used private companies for, ships and airplanes. but damn if their cars arent top of the line. kickin ford's ass (and i hate ford).
funny how you disprove someone's argument and all the sudden they were "being sarcastic" about it. makes you wonder is they're being sarcastic about everything... if so, does that mean kerry is just a joke? because that would explain a lot. he's quite the funny one. my props to the democratic national convention for the greatest joke ever told
yeah that privatization thing really has hurt us. henry ford and the production line. damn that bastard for making cheap reliable cars!!!!! if only cars cost upwards of 200k like in the old days (adjusted for inflation).. aaah that would be perfect. nevermind the advances made in healthcare from privatization *cough* *cough* penecillin was a PRIVATELY FUNDED research project. yeah the benefits of privatization are very hard to see. man i just wish the government was in charge of everything. our cars would be efficient, perfectly safe, get 2-3 miles to the gallon, be as big as tanks, and as reliable as a yugo (which if i remember correctly is a government product). this government controlling everything is a great idea!! look how well it worked for the USSR!!!! they're kickin ass right... oh damn i forgot how their economy never worked, they had to rule be fear, and they never built a damn thing that was any good except for the TWO things they used private companies for, ships and airplanes. but damn if their cars arent top of the line. kickin ford's ass (and i hate ford).
funny how you disprove someone's argument and all the sudden they were "being sarcastic" about it. makes you wonder is they're being sarcastic about everything... if so, does that mean kerry is just a joke? because that would explain a lot. he's quite the funny one. my props to the democratic national convention for the greatest joke ever told
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I think that was sum dat "sarcasm" he was talking aboutJunkPunch said:
My mom's good friend in med school is one of the leading doctors in NYC fighting the HMO's and corrupt insurance companies, so yes, there are PLENTY of physicians who hate the current system. I don't know his opinions on socialized medicine, but I think it is definitely NOT the way to go, but some government regulation is definitely needed.
And my vote is going to John Kerry. I'm 19, so automatically I am a young kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, but let's just assume for a minute that I do. I definitely sympathize with many of Kerry's positions. To accuse him of a "flip-flopper" or whatever the hell else the Bush camp is trying to peg him with today is absolutely rediculous. Hell, they are trying to convince the people that Max Cleland of Georgia is unpatriotic and anti-American, that is how insane this administration and the state of the Republican Party is in this country (to all of you who don't know who he is, he is a Democratic Congressman from Georgia who lost three limbs in Vietnam, he voted against some PATRIOT bill because of some GOP trailers on it that were pretty shady that had NOTHING to do with the bill itself). New information comes up, a new point of view is uncovered, and IMHO it takes a bigger man to suck it up and say "Yeah, I was wrong, and I'm sorry." The Bush administration has repeatedly lied to the American people, yet the GOP Congress was so quick to jump on Clinton for perjuring (which I am not saying I condone at all, but the ethical ramifications of what Bush has done FAR outwiegh Clinton's getting a hummer in the Oval Office and lying about it). Go take a look at the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, which has nothing to do with Patriots, it was just a clever GOP ruse to get the public to support some BS bill to take away some of our fundamental rights as Americans.
I have more to say, but I have to go to class now, but people PLEASE do some research before you vote in a month. I don't think the US can take another 4 years of foriegn policy suicide.
And my vote is going to John Kerry. I'm 19, so automatically I am a young kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, but let's just assume for a minute that I do. I definitely sympathize with many of Kerry's positions. To accuse him of a "flip-flopper" or whatever the hell else the Bush camp is trying to peg him with today is absolutely rediculous. Hell, they are trying to convince the people that Max Cleland of Georgia is unpatriotic and anti-American, that is how insane this administration and the state of the Republican Party is in this country (to all of you who don't know who he is, he is a Democratic Congressman from Georgia who lost three limbs in Vietnam, he voted against some PATRIOT bill because of some GOP trailers on it that were pretty shady that had NOTHING to do with the bill itself). New information comes up, a new point of view is uncovered, and IMHO it takes a bigger man to suck it up and say "Yeah, I was wrong, and I'm sorry." The Bush administration has repeatedly lied to the American people, yet the GOP Congress was so quick to jump on Clinton for perjuring (which I am not saying I condone at all, but the ethical ramifications of what Bush has done FAR outwiegh Clinton's getting a hummer in the Oval Office and lying about it). Go take a look at the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act, which has nothing to do with Patriots, it was just a clever GOP ruse to get the public to support some BS bill to take away some of our fundamental rights as Americans.
I have more to say, but I have to go to class now, but people PLEASE do some research before you vote in a month. I don't think the US can take another 4 years of foriegn policy suicide.
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