HELP!!!!!!All-wheel drive broken?

jcgemt2003 said:
I relize what you are saying and for them to tell me that I voided my warranty by changing my exhaust is BS. I wont take that s***....I had the money to pay for half of this bitchass car in cash, believe me I have plenty of money for a freakn LAWYER....I called the dealer today and told them what happened. They said no problem bring it in. I wont be taking any s*** from the dealership ladys and gents....BELEIVE THAT! When I first bought the car I would take my foot of the clutch to fast and the car would make this big KLUNK sound and not go anywhere....Now that I know how to drive it...It doesnt happen...And the one time it did it has screwed up the allwheel peel. I guess you could say that was the straw that broke the camels back......! You would think that they would use an allwheel drive system that could handle the amount of torque the engine delivers....guess not huh? What a POS...If they fix it and it happens again Ill never by a Mazda ever again....You dont pay almost 30k for a damn car and have the asshole dealership tell you there voiding the warranty...ILL BE DAMNED. You guys will be hearing about me on the fukn news....Ill get gangester as hell...beat the them to death with my cold air intake.....(sorry just venting)(pissed) (pissed) (pissed) (pissed) (pissed) (pissed) to be continued......................
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Before you get all mad, find out what's wrong first. If you go into the dealer with this type of additude they aren't going to be as inclined to help you then if you go in there calm. I could go into a dealer and pay cash, but it doesn't mean that if a problem comes up I am right away going to jump to conclusions and rip someones head off cause I can. On top of that, if you raise a big stink about it and get Mazda corperate involved then your game is over. Then Mazda USA can deny future warranty work on your car. I do believe Mazda corperate has more money then you and employes many lawyers. If you walk in polite, and calm then the dealer will want to take care of you cause you may buy another car from them cause of how well they took care of you. They may also choose to do a one time good will if the problem was from something aftermarket to keep you happy. Once you call Mazda corperate then its out of the dealers hands to help you out.
 
psi365 said:
Before you get all mad, find out what's wrong first. If you go into the dealer with this type of additude they aren't going to be as inclined to help you then if you go in there calm. I could go into a dealer and pay cash, but it doesn't mean that if a problem comes up I am right away going to jump to conclusions and rip someones head off cause I can. On top of that, if you raise a big stink about it and get Mazda corperate involved then your game is over. Then Mazda USA can deny future warranty work on your car. I do believe Mazda corperate has more money then you and employes many lawyers. If you walk in polite, and calm then the dealer will want to take care of you cause you may buy another car from them cause of how well they took care of you. They may also choose to do a one time good will if the problem was from something aftermarket to keep you happy. Once you call Mazda corperate then its out of the dealers hands to help you out.
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Im done being mad....Ive been done since venting on this forum....oh and Im not an Idiot...I relize that you get more done with sweet than you do with sour. But that doenst mean though that Im gonna lay down if they try to pull some BS. The other thing is I dont care if they have a team of lawyers....I look at it this way....risk vs reward.....The law is the law...Why pay a ton of lawyers large amounts of money to fight a claim that may cost them, lets say $1500. I would think It would be more worth while to fix the car and keep me as a customer than to piss me off, go to court, and lose the purchase of another vehicle....Yeah theyre not as bad off as ford but they sure arent Honda....no what I mean. Win or lose, it will cost them more money to go to court than to just fix it. On the other hand they may say....."Your driving the car to hard or it broke becuase of operator error...will fix it this time,but if you come back with the same problem again your s*** out of luck!" Its not like a slapped a T-4 TURBO on the car and detonated the engine. Then took my ass into the dealership and demanded a new engine. The all-whell drive just stopped working....
 
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You could put on the old downpipe. I think you said you got it done at a friends shop, they would help you out?
 
Took the Speed into the dealer this morning and they just called me to let me khow what was wrong.......your never gonna believe this.........Right rear axle was broken.......! They said it was chewed up and twisted pretty bad........My response of course.....YOUR SHITTN ME!..... Acoording to Mazda via my Service Manager, its a problem there having with alot of the Speed6s. The axle is on back order and wont be shipped until Oct.30th....He also said that hopefully its back orderd because there in the process of producing a new more sturdier axle. Wow...guess this car really does put dowm some torque.
 
The warranty coverage can be denied only if the aftermarketpart caused the malfunction or damage for which warranty coverage is sought. Disputes in this area usually boil down to arguments over facts andtechnical opinions, rather than arguments over interpretations of the law.
as from the page.... ive seen it any susp. mod can harm the drive train due to the the susp. not allowing proper flex allowed is what they will say a dp can cause boost spikes is what they will say if the motor goes tits up. dont belive me ive been there. i know my warranty was voided when i bought the car because i will start modding shortly after like the intake, 3" turbo back, boost controller, boost gauge(this actually can void warranty), new paint and wheels(dont void anything) all installed within 1 month

soon... try a ems, bigger turbo, manifold, dump it i pretty sure all this voids everything. the reason i know is because the dealer i bought the car from i sell them flatbeds, dumpbeds, etc... i carry the same warranty and have to follow the same law.
 
Before we get into yet another forum of dealer can't void my warranty. Listen up, the dealer isn't the one voiding your warranty, Mazda corperate is. The MS6 was designed to certain performance perimeters, in which if you try to add to it you are going beyond what the car was designed to do. Everyones first reaction is to start crying about how the dealer is ripping you off and won't fix things cause the car is modded. Well here's the catch, Mazda USA has to approve the repairs they are going to make on your car, if the dealer knows that corperate isn't going to pay, then the dealer will deny it cause no way the dealer is going to take the hit. Its that simple. If you can make the car payment and pay for all the aftermarket stuff you should be ready to pay for you car if it breaks. No I don't work on Mazda's, but I've seen the "its not fair" cry one to many times.
 
Thats all fine and dandy but what does any of that have to do with a broken right axle? They arent voiding my warranty for exhaust work....They new I did it a long time ago and told me to remove any aftermarket parts that I may add if anything major happens to the car. Guess what? I did....so no dilema....Nothing I could have done to that car could have caused the rear axle to snap.....Especially if the part is on back order because its happening to others...whats that tell ya? Maybe, Mazda got some bad parts or bad steel from another Company...That would be the best bet. Look at it this way 274-20%hp loss @the wheel=219whp. Now, 219whp divided by 4(all-wheel drive)=54.75whp per axle max (or 25% of max hp). Thats a pretty bad axle if it cant handle a whopping 54.75whp and 70ft lbs of torque(280divided by 4).

PISS POOR PLANNING= PISS POOR PRODUCT(fu)
 
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ms6utah said:
the government has a law against dealers saying that you have voided your warranty because of a mod http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?id=7253 check this page out(enguard)
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I was refering to this post more then your particular case. In your case the axle should not have broken. Your theory of how the awd system works is incorrect though. Most of the time your car is a basic fwd car. WHen it detects slippage it engages the rear diff. At most you will get a 50% bias towards the rear. It only keeps the car in awd mode when needed. You also may get more then 50% bias side to side due to slippage wheel to wheel and differential action.
 
psi365 said:
I was refering to this post more then your particular case. In your case the axle should not have broken. Your theory of how the awd system works is incorrect though. Most of the time your car is a basic fwd car. WHen it detects slippage it engages the rear diff. At most you will get a 50% bias towards the rear. It only keeps the car in awd mode when needed. You also may get more then 50% bias side to side due to slippage wheel to wheel and differential action.
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ooohh...Thanks! I thought I was at least pretty close..but thanks for the info....And thanks to all who responded so promptley to the post...I know I was a little pissy but I a sure you that none of it was ment to be aimed at any of you...More frustrated that Im only driving my car for a month till I park it for the winter and now its gonna be at the damn dealer for 2 of those weeks being fixed because of a crappie rear axle.(pissed)
 
thats really sucks man. i would be just as pissed i might order a set just for s**** and hope it never does go im sure it will though somthing gotta give sometime hey would you be able to get the old ones back? i would pay the shipping i make flatbeds and have to do wheelbases on occasion and i have a driveline guy who can not just rebuild it but make stronger ones too boot. just a possibility and pondering an idea.
 
ms64meplease said:
thats really sucks man. i would be just as pissed i might order a set just for s**** and hope it never does go im sure it will though somthing gotta give sometime hey would you be able to get the old ones back? i would pay the shipping i make flatbeds and have to do wheelbases on occasion and i have a driveline guy who can not just rebuild it but make stronger ones too boot. just a possibility and pondering an idea.
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Ill ask the dealership....is it one whole axle or are they seperate? You know front and back obviously, but left and right?
 
there seprate yours must really be seprate...lol just like the front has 2 driveshafts. with cv joints. he does good work and has made me a dl for the rx-7 i had to handle 600whp didnt go that high but its good to know it can plus it had replacable u joints
 
Uh, you were driving on wet leaves, there was prlly a sudden power transfer during full boost from one side of the rear to the other, that will decimate the axles..

Good news is that the diff is stout (supposedly same unit in the rx8, so its pretty tough).

Honestly, I would be somewhat inclined to think that the rx8 rear axles prlly fit and from looking under one of those cars they are definitely stronger.
Anybody know the spline count and size?

BTW, the Haldex systems are pretty damned tough. The system we have is the same system as in the Audis and VW awd cars. A testament to its strength is that you just twisted an axle and all the diffs and the PTO held up. Thats a good sign folks. I will take a twisted axle over a dead diff anyday.

Here is a neato thing to think about too:

http://www.eiptuning.com/ecomm/proddetail.php?prod=HEX-HPP&cat=1

You can mess with the bias of the Haldex. ;)

BTW, the Haldex systems can usually hold up well in upwards of 500awdhp.
 
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