Got the standback installed its GREAT!!!!

A load of bullocks hu.... B/c if and when CP-E does get full control, you don't think they just send an updated version. But yet I am able to adjust boost, a/f, timing, and fuel cut. But yet this is a load of bullocks hu.

And now you say the ECU's on the 6 and 3 are TOTALLY different but yet the same engine...??? Might be a few different wires the cut and splice but all the same s***. Why don't you give a CP-E a call. See what they have to say. I hope they get a chance to read your post.
 
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from what i understand from jordan at cpe....u cant just update the standback u have right now with software....u will need to buy another units but in a discount price....
 
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Either way Funky is a prime example of some people on here that need to do some research before they stick there stinky ass foot in there mouths.
 
The standbacks you have is a load of bullocks,the real MS3 pre-programmed,PNP standback with full throttle controll is not out yet and not for sale as a MS3 exclusive part on their web site,neither is your stand backs available for sale as a MS3 standback so there.Yours is primarily a tuning solution designed for the MS6 which not the same ECU at all.


Yeah, not sure that I follow your reasoning. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. The ECU has nothing to do with this discussion since the ECU has no idea that the Standback is attached to the vehicle. That's the beauty of a piggyback engine controller; it's totally transparent to the ECU.

Even more to the point, the current Standback was developed specifically for the turbo MZR in the SPEED3/6/CX7, hence why these three cars are the only ones currently running our Standback. We are installing our Standback into some other cars (Mazda 6S, BMW 335i, Acura RDX) but the Standback was originally intended for the aforementioned Mazda vehicles. I mean, how many piggybacks do you know of that can control the DISI high pressure fuel pump like our Standback can? We included this feature specifically for the MazdaSPEED vehicles and the CX7.

We are coming out with an updated version of the Standback, but we're still months away. The next generation isn't "a better fit" for any of the vehicles, rather, it will just have some updated features that our current Standback does not. It will be able to control the throttle, it will have a built-in accelerometer, it will feature cam phasing control, direct injector and coil control, and a few more features that I can't disclose yet. Since the current Standback is basically tapped in terms of on-board memory, the next generation Standback will have an entirely new architecture, and will also command a higher MSRP then the current Standback. So whereas this current Standback sells for $640, the next version may sell for over $1000 depending on the capabilities of the final production version. We are also talking about offering a discount to those who would like to upgrade from the 1st-gen to 2nd-gen.

In regards to PnP and throttle control, we will have these options available to both 1st-gen and 2nd-gen controllers. Once we get the requisite connectors we'll be offering a PnP 1st-gen Standback, and once the second-gen is completed, that too will have a wire-in or PnP option attached to it. Our electrical engineer is currently working to control the throttle too. The plan is to release a module that will integrate with the current Standback. So if you have a Standback now and want to control the throttle, you will have the option to buy an add-on device that will reign in the throttle for you. I obviously don't have pricing for this feature yet, but once we get closer to production I'll start sharing more details. The next-gen controller will have this option built-in.

So the point is that the current Standback is an incredibly capable tuning device that was developed using the MazdaSPEED platform. The current Standback is easily one of the most capable and advanced engine controllers on the planet, and if you consider how much it costs, you really can't beat it. Air/fuel, boost, and timing control, which could amount to as much as 40whp with a good tune all for $640? How much better could it get? (friday)

I hope that clears up some of the confusion, but if you're still unclear about the capabilities or plans of either controller please don't hesitate to post it up!
 
wow i didnt realize the throttle control can be added to first version. the whole plug and play thing is always a plus but my main concern for not getting this was the throttle control
 
Thanks a lot guys. I know all of this is very confusing, partially because there are so many options, and we don't yet have much of this information up on our website. We apologize sincerely for that. I think once we have all of this information in a centralized location (ie. our website) it will all make a lot more sense. In the mean time, I'll my best to answer everyone's questions and try to clear up some of the confusion!

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Thanks a lot guys. I know all of this is very confusing, partially because there are so many options, and we don't yet have much of this information up on our website. We apologize sincerely for that. I think once we have all of this information in a centralized location (ie. our website) it will all make a lot more sense. In the mean time, I'll my best to answer everyone's questions and try to clear up some of the confusion!

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I'm fairly certain my g/f of two years is not going to like CP-E very much at all in a few long months. Seeing as how she'd like a ring and all, and my budget for a ring is around $2500. But yet I NEED to yet purchase a TBE, an IC upgrade, and a nice, new, pnp, gen 2 EMS, all of which will most likely add up to somewhere in the neighborhood of $2500...

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Which one will I choose?

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my thought is this....there is no need for the gen2 standback if you dont plan on doing fuel system mods and go big turbo. the current version gives you all you need to totally max out the stock fuel system with just minor bolt ons.
 
my thought is this....there is no need for the gen2 standback if you dont plan on doing fuel system mods and go big turbo. the current version gives you all you need to totally max out the stock fuel system with just minor bolt ons.


i dunno, has some1 tried slicks with this limited 1st gear? if gen two removes the power limits, then im sure you can get a hard launch provided you have enough traction with the gen 2....then again no1 ran slics and for all i know you could but out high 1.6s the way it is right now
 
maybe CP-E can answer this but i am pretty sure the first gen standback can adjust boost in the limited lower gears.
 
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I'm told the Standback and Xede has full control of boost, but the person named "josh" something or another keeps writing he feels some "limiting" in 1st and 2nd gear which I cant understand. The throttle plate can still close if something is wrong, but if "tuned" properly I cant see why there is any limiting after using one of these systems.
 
i dunno, has some1 tried slicks with this limited 1st gear? if gen two removes the power limits, then im sure you can get a hard launch provided you have enough traction with the gen 2....then again no1 ran slics and for all i know you could but out high 1.6s the way it is right now

Just to clarify,

Gen I and II will have total throttle control when and if CP-E beaks the interface of the stock ECU. As of this moment, they cannot get around the limited boost through 1- 4th.
 
I'm told the Standback and Xede has full control of boost, but the person named "josh" something or another keeps writing he feels some "limiting" in 1st and 2nd gear which I cant understand. The throttle plate can still close if something is wrong, but if "tuned" properly I cant see why there is any limiting after using one of these systems.

The throttle plate, from which I understand, has two seperate sensors. And thats what CP-E is trying get around in order to have full control.
 
maybe CP-E can answer this but i am pretty sure the first gen standback can adjust boost in the limited lower gears.

Gears have nothing to do with the adjusting boost. Boost is boost. The standback sets the psi to which you desire. But once you start slipping and or the ECU detects anything it is still going to bring you down to 10 or 12psi through 1 and 3 gears
 
Xede does not have control of the throttle plate either but will give you full boost in all gears. Care to explain?
 
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