SmoothCriminal
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you thought wrong
STi has in cockit center diff controls, can't top that, also the sti's 0-60 is 4.8 not sure about the evo
Goodbye Orange MSP
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STi has in cockit center diff controls, can't top that, also the sti's 0-60 is 4.8 not sure about the evo
twiztedjeckel
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i like how the guy on the moped flipped him off and purged his NOS
tritonheat1
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(Thread Jack), any NSX-T, Supra TT, RX-7 TT will walk Camaro Z28, SS's, Firebird's, 04 GTO's. Here's proof that a STi or EVo will walk a Z28.
1/4mile:
STi......13.36sec
Z28.....13.9sec
Http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?Id1=169&ID2=176
1/4mile:
STi......13.36sec
Z28.....13.9sec
Http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?Id1=169&ID2=176
tritonheat1
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Also here's what a NSX-T would do to a 04 GTO.
NSX-T..........................GTO
0-60..................5.2sec..........................5.17sec
0-100................12.0sec.........................13.17sec
1/4mile..............13.7@105MPH..............13.88@103.56MPH
Topspeed...........175MPH........................155MPH(LIMITED)
Http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?ID1=74&ID2=280
NSX-T..........................GTO
0-60..................5.2sec..........................5.17sec
0-100................12.0sec.........................13.17sec
1/4mile..............13.7@105MPH..............13.88@103.56MPH
Topspeed...........175MPH........................155MPH(LIMITED)
Http://www.car-videos.com/performance/view.asp?ID1=74&ID2=280
Well. i dont know where to start but the lancers and sti's are $$$ cause you can get a c-5 vette for like 25000 with only 30000 miles. im a vette person over stangs, cameros and all the other v-8s but ws6 is bad with the ls1. i have had a few c-4s in the past and still have one. hard to bet a car thats been around for 50 years. i dont care what anyone says vette is my choice or a SKYLINE "claimed the corvette of japan" YOu will always hear of v-8 and there all fast. and thats theres no replacement for displacement. i say YES THERE IS MY FRIEND ITS CALLED "TURBO"
you take that lancer and pimp it out and on the back. you put a sticker on it and have it say v-8s are nice i just ate one!
you take that lancer and pimp it out and on the back. you put a sticker on it and have it say v-8s are nice i just ate one!
twiztedjeckel
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MAGAZINE RACERS UNITE AND ARGUE!!!!!
guys,you gotta relax with this s***. a couple 10ths of a second that a magazine claims aren't going to mean s*** on the street or the strip where you get your average Joe Dickhead who bought the car to turn a few heads and enjoy the overall "beeing" of the car.
anybody who's been to a track has seen a car line up that should put down such and such a time but for whatever reason it comes up a little less than perfect and doesn't meet the expected goal. case in point i saw a Z06 at the track that did a 15.08. does that sound right to anybody????? no,you're right,it doesn't.
so keep throwing out all the numbers taken from the latest and greatest magazines all you want but when it comes right down to it,the real life figures are going to be slightly different but the mag ones do offer a good base to go by
oh yeah,those LS1 engines were underrated from the factory. they put out more like 348ish hp in stock form
guys,you gotta relax with this s***. a couple 10ths of a second that a magazine claims aren't going to mean s*** on the street or the strip where you get your average Joe Dickhead who bought the car to turn a few heads and enjoy the overall "beeing" of the car.
anybody who's been to a track has seen a car line up that should put down such and such a time but for whatever reason it comes up a little less than perfect and doesn't meet the expected goal. case in point i saw a Z06 at the track that did a 15.08. does that sound right to anybody????? no,you're right,it doesn't.
so keep throwing out all the numbers taken from the latest and greatest magazines all you want but when it comes right down to it,the real life figures are going to be slightly different but the mag ones do offer a good base to go by
oh yeah,those LS1 engines were underrated from the factory. they put out more like 348ish hp in stock form
I want to know what the Mitsu dealer offered for the MSP as trade-in?
I really want an AWD car now for the couple times a year my car sees snow.
I still owe $14.5k on my ride, 2003 black msp with 2300 miles in PERFECT condition. The thought of trading it has crossed my mind, but I know I'll get ripped a new one.
I really want an AWD car now for the couple times a year my car sees snow.
I still owe $14.5k on my ride, 2003 black msp with 2300 miles in PERFECT condition. The thought of trading it has crossed my mind, but I know I'll get ripped a new one.
monkeymsp said:
Well I should have said Mid 13's, and for about 10k less. The last Z28 SS that Motortrend ran an article on was hitting 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and was running low-mid 13's in STOCK form with stock tires. You add a set of BFG drag radials and 3.73 or 3.92 gears and it's pushing 12's all day long.
In my mind it's still a cheaper car for the $$$, you can add a set of headers, 3" exhaust, do some cheap intake work like porting/polishing, add some gears and Chevrolet won't VOID your warranty like most TUNER car manufacturers will.
A stock LS-1 and LT-1 can handle 400HP with no problem and beyond. Plus the 6spd. is rated to handle around 450 ft. lbs. of torque and won't blow up in your face for giving it more power.
Let's face it any kid with about 10-15k in his pocket can go out, buy a used Z28, put about 2k into the engine, and run 12's without any problem.
Heck you can buy a 9PSI ATI intercooled supercharger for an LT-1 and on a stock Z28 with a 6spd. and 3.42 gears you can push LOW 12's without breaking a sweat and worrying about blowing up the engine.
There is something to be said about Detroit IRON whether any of you like it or not. I like my Mazdaspeed but for pete's sake a used 5.0 Mustang or 5.7 LT1 or LS1 camaro with minor mods will pound the ground all day long without breaking a sweat.
There is some crack for your pipe....
tritonheat1 said:
First of all get your $$$'s/performance straight. How much are you paying for an NSX-T, Supra TT, RX-7 TT when those came out new $ for $ compared to a Z28 or Mustang?
It's not an apples to apples comparison. Don't quote me exactly on these prices but at the time the NSX-T and Supra-TT were considered an exotic to semi-exotic.
I believe when the NSX came out it was right around $70k or more and the Supra was around $50k. At the time the Camaro and Mustang were still 1/2 to 1/3 the price of that, and anyone with 1/2 a brain and not alot of $$$'s could lay any of those 3 cars to waste in the 1/4 and 0-60.
The RX-7 TT was also another rare breed that was ALOT more $$$'s than a Z28 or Mustang. Have Roush, Rippie, Saleen, or any other tuner add some suspension components and you can have a car pushing .95g on a skidpad.
Don't bag on the V8's or Detroit IRON because they have been around alot longer than any Tuner car and were pushing big HP #'s faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times, racing, and doing SCCA long before any TUNER car ever was and that's a fact.
I give credit where credit is due, the Tuner car market has come along way since the early 90's, and YES it is also about going fast around corners, slalom, autocrossing, etc. but give credit to Detroit for keeping alot of the TUNER cars in check to create something comparable as far as speed and handling.
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dude what the hell are you talking about... any car can be made faster than how it came from the factory. the honest truth is what you feel more comfortable driving around in... a car that cant handle worth s***, rusts out in 2 years and is made entirely from recycled plastics. an sti or evo will **** any american car dollar for dollar and look and handle better than it as well
MSpeed said:
Are you trying to tell me you have owned a Camaro or Mustang and they have rusted out on you in 2 years, they handle like s***, and are made from recycled plastics? Last time I checked you have owned nothing but import cars so you speak for nobody.
If I remember correctly after sitting in my 1993 GSX, and now my Mazdaspeed I would say they use those same CHEAP plastics that the American cars do.
Also, $ for $ and STI or EVO will not beat everything it comes up against. As far as looking better, that is always in the EYE of the beholder.
I am really disappointed. You rip on American muscle, and yet you have probably never owned, driven, or autocrossed a Mustang, Camaro, or Corvette.
Are you just bitter because some other punk kid in his early 90's mustang 5.0 with 90,000 miles and a 5spd. probably chewed you up at every light with your rx-7 or 240sx, CMON...let's be fair...
I didn't join this forum to bash on people or other car manufacturers who have literally laid the groundwork for what the performance car market is today.
I am trying to have an honest open debate and get some ideas out there, and offer a little history...
The thing that is MOST disappointing to me is that the TUNER manufacturers don't anticipate for the TUNER crowd...
I would love to overboost my MSP, but I doubt Mazda put a nice heavy duty clutch in to handle the power, or how about forged internals like everyone BITCHES about on this forum, or how about a properly built transmission or SYNCHROS that don't fail all the time.
I mean dealerships and manufacturers of imports literally will VOID you warranty if you even as much as talk about doing something to the car.
My message is this build a car to handle more than what it comes off the showroom floor with for the extra $$$ so you meet the need of those who want more later...
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ok im gonna try to be as civil as possible here... we're obviously not gonna convince each other one way or the other. all i can tell you is what ive experienced for myself. i have friends who own domestics and i have driven domestics... ive also seen what winter driven domestic look like after 2 years. ive also gone to dealerships and seen the horrid workmanship and poor attention to detail that all of them are constructed with. and so through my experiences i am not fond nor would i even own one of them. you seem to feel differently and so be it but dont try to say that stock for stock one car is better than the other because it isnt... an evo is fairly priced and it comes with alot more features than your camaro... in my opinion id much rather get an evo anyday
no matter what you own there will always be someone faster than you... whether it be a domestic or an import, a pissing contest like this can last forever with neither side winning
...but now dont go saying stuff bout things u know nothing of... my rx7 has almost 30K of aftermarket parts and tuning done to it so id appreciate if u didnt comment
no matter what you own there will always be someone faster than you... whether it be a domestic or an import, a pissing contest like this can last forever with neither side winning
...but now dont go saying stuff bout things u know nothing of... my rx7 has almost 30K of aftermarket parts and tuning done to it so id appreciate if u didnt comment
twiztedjeckel
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who gives 2 s**** how much you have into your car? $100 says the guy that lays down $275k on a Murcialago didn't need to spend a dime on his car to make yours look like a b****.
but don't get me wrong. i have a strong love for the RX-7,well any rotary powered vehicle for that matter. i've owned one myself. they can be very lethal machines if put together correctly and small issues worked out in them.
markeddy-btw----let Saleen,Roush or Doug Rippie do whatever they can to a camero or mustang. they're front heavy muscle cars that live to oversteer. .95g's on a skid pad's impressive but whats more impressive is the 1G that the R1 model 93 RX-7 pulled stock straight off the assembly line. can you say "who's ya daddy?" oh by the way, there's a reason the 3rd gen 7 was referred to as Ferrari killer(chair)
but don't get me wrong. i have a strong love for the RX-7,well any rotary powered vehicle for that matter. i've owned one myself. they can be very lethal machines if put together correctly and small issues worked out in them.
markeddy-btw----let Saleen,Roush or Doug Rippie do whatever they can to a camero or mustang. they're front heavy muscle cars that live to oversteer. .95g's on a skid pad's impressive but whats more impressive is the 1G that the R1 model 93 RX-7 pulled stock straight off the assembly line. can you say "who's ya daddy?" oh by the way, there's a reason the 3rd gen 7 was referred to as Ferrari killer(chair)
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I stand corrected if your RX-7 is what you say it is. I would LOVE to see what your $30k+ RX-7 looks like and what kind of time slips your running at the track, I am not really concerned about your Autocrossing if you do that since the discussion was about 0-60 and 1/4 miles times to begin with.
As far as 2 years and then rust, you need to read up because everyone on hear is bitching about those nice RacingHART wheels that seem to take on rust after only 500 miles. I don't know about you but my B4C Camaro which was a 1991 never had an ounce of RUST on it after 12 years even when driven in the snow on occasion. No new Domestic car if it's washed and taken care of will show RUST so go pitch YOUR B.S. to someone else. I have seen plenty of Imports with RUST problems running down the road all the time...
I think the EVO is a very TOP NOTCH performer in that price range. My whole arguement came out of wondering what the performance #'s were on the EVO and STI and then a performance discussion got going on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. So read the thread before getting partway into a discussion.
Stock for stock most Domestic musclecars up until the last 2 years when the EVO and STI came out RAN circles around imports...that's just a fact. Sorry you can't accept that...
As for the EVO being the ultimate best buy for $34k I would rather spend the extra cash and get the Z06 Corvette.
Just my opinion, everyone is entitled to them but not every opinion is factual or the truth.
As far as 2 years and then rust, you need to read up because everyone on hear is bitching about those nice RacingHART wheels that seem to take on rust after only 500 miles. I don't know about you but my B4C Camaro which was a 1991 never had an ounce of RUST on it after 12 years even when driven in the snow on occasion. No new Domestic car if it's washed and taken care of will show RUST so go pitch YOUR B.S. to someone else. I have seen plenty of Imports with RUST problems running down the road all the time...
I think the EVO is a very TOP NOTCH performer in that price range. My whole arguement came out of wondering what the performance #'s were on the EVO and STI and then a performance discussion got going on 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. So read the thread before getting partway into a discussion.
Stock for stock most Domestic musclecars up until the last 2 years when the EVO and STI came out RAN circles around imports...that's just a fact. Sorry you can't accept that...
As for the EVO being the ultimate best buy for $34k I would rather spend the extra cash and get the Z06 Corvette.
Just my opinion, everyone is entitled to them but not every opinion is factual or the truth.
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