GI on budget turbo kit

[Mental Addiction]

I'm having a hard time justifying (read: imagining how long it'd take to save) $4400 USD. I'm hoping to hear that the T3 equivalent would shave off a couple pennies.

Ideally, the kit I get would be moderately priced and have room to grow as funds allow. I don't want to buy a kit that is already at its best and not likely to satisfy me... as I'm likely to want to make it bigger and better when I get bored.

Hence, the ability to have the SS kit in stages would be a dream. To me, this T3 starter setup seems to have the stages somewhat available (as designed or by coincidence).

The SS kit is good for roughly 350HP right out of the box.
If you are looking for more,or might be later down the road then the Thumper kit would be another option.The GT28RS makes more power than a Super60 T3.

 

[Jspec]

Sorry but I'm lost. I have a auto p5 and I want a turbo. The budget one sounds awesome for $1600 and what else would I need and how much? I need a sponsor too

 

[accuser]

damn... seems like everyone wants a sponsor... all i see is people saying "i need a sponsor"

MAM can't sponsor everyone... if they did, they'de be out of buisness in no time.


-pedro

 

[changedman]

Indeed. Free bump!

 

[Murda]

I'm looking to make tops 250hp comfortably (read: safely). I'm not intending to build up the block extensively (or at all).

Would I be better off with the T3 or GT28RS to satisfy those conditions?

 

[changedman]

either will make it. the gt28rs will spool faster and flow better if you want 250hp
for 250Whp you'll need rods, at least...
the gt28rs flows better it is efficient upto 350hp

 

[2K3 MSP]

Didn't read through all of this, but wouldn't a stock MSP SMIC be a good option for those that want to run an intercooler? It definately wouldn't be overkill, but would help a little I'm sure.

 

[changedman]

i think it be more costly if you threw the MSP IC into the picture. Its kinda a pain to deal with the turbo being clocked different and the IC piping...

 

[2K3 MSP]

True...custom pipes would put you back into the $300-400 range...I wasn't thinking about the different turbo position(hand)

 

[P5MoJo]

cRRrRRazy, i would be interested in this turbo kit if it sold for $1900 complete to put in! if you do decide i'll probably have cash laying around especially since Xmas and my bday are coming up..

 

[AlaskaP5]

What would be the timeline on this kit. Interested in the Mitsu turbo.
Also, referring to the sportmatic thing, 5-6 psi should be relatively safe, correct? or would I need to upgrade the torque converter. Also, would this kit preserve both CATs or would one be removed. Thanks in advance.

 

[Murda]

either will make it. the gt28rs will spool faster and flow better if you want 250hp
for 250Whp you'll need rods, at least...
the gt28rs flows better it is efficient upto 350hp

At what horsepower rating would the T3 be a better choice over the GT28rs. From what I understand, the larger the turbo, the slower the spool up. So, at what point would the benefits of the smaller T3 be evident?

 

[mp5jeff]

the gt28rs is dual ball bearing and overall better and newer design which is why it will spool faster then a t3..IMO if i did it over again, i would go with a gt series turbo before the older designs(and i have a t3/t4)

 

[Jspec]

damn... seems like everyone wants a sponsor... all i see is people saying "i need a sponsor"

MAM can't sponsor everyone... if they did, they'de be out of buisness in no time.


-pedro

so maybe I don't need a sponsor no wait, I do, I don't. Be nice to have one though :-\ could only dream. So Anyways how reliable is this for my 03 auto p5? I've heard that ppl say auto + turbo = (notcool) I know, I know, shoulda went with a manual.... So can someone tell me what kinda problems I can run into?

 

[RyanJayG]

your tranny can slip, because the torque converter cant handle the level of torque. but if you stay south of say 7-8PSI on a T3 then I think you'll be ok. Pirana took his HiBoost P5 (automatic) up to 14psi, but he did experience slippage, but he kept it around 9psi daily.

 

[Bigg Tim]

the gt28rs is dual ball bearing and overall better and newer design which is why it will spool faster then a t3..IMO if i did it over again, i would go with a gt series turbo before the older designs(and i have a t3/t4)

(werd) I'll second that. The T3/T4 is a bit too laggy, but it is still pretty awesome. Maybe an upgrade for later.

 

[YP5 Toronto]

If you are even considering putting on a larger turbo..or think you will want MORE in the future than look for MAM's other kits.

I love the idea of a budget kit...keep it simple and cost sensitive.

REMEMBER....you can always add a water/alchy injector setup to this budget kit and turn up the boost slightly.

TDO4H is a great little turbo...and there are a TON of them out in the market...so its a good choice for this type of concept...

 

[Jspec]

your tranny can slip, because the torque converter cant handle the level of torque. but if you stay south of say 7-8PSI on a T3 then I think you'll be ok. Pirana took his HiBoost P5 (automatic) up to 14psi, but he did experience slippage, but he kept it around 9psi daily.

Isn't this a budget kit thats suppose to run about 6psi? I only want a little more speed, I'm not greddy so I don't need no T3 cause I doubt I'll keep my p5 longer than 2 years!

 

[Mr. Win]

so maybe I don't need a sponsor no wait, I do, I don't. Be nice to have one though :-\ could only dream. So Anyways how reliable is this for my 03 auto p5? I've heard that ppl say auto + turbo = (notcool) I know, I know, shoulda went with a manual.... So can someone tell me what kinda problems I can run into?

I boost 6psi daily and my tranny is slipping through first to second and notch every once in a while. im getting ready to convert to standard tranny. i think youd be okay with tranny cooler good fluid and only racing form 2nd gear or even spirted driving. I ignored all this advice and its why my trannies going to fall on its face soon.

 

[accuser]

what about a mitsubishi 16g?

i know that may be a little on the expensive side... but would be great for this setup. considering the fact that if someone wants to "turn up the boost" all they would really need is an intercooler setup and a little bit of fuel work (voltage clamp/fmu) then you can turn to the dsm crown for support as well as the folks here on www.msprotege.com.

another thing that would be good about useing a 16g would be that it would broaded the horizons as to what turbos people use on the protege. wouldn't it be great to say... i want to turbo my protege... let me see what turbo manifolds are available and what turbos they would support...

i meant heck... if you can put a t70 on a honda... why not a protege?

-pedro

The love of being boosted has brought me to the idea of offering a low budget turbo kit.Here is the idea.
6psi, Non intercooled setup...150-160whp at 6psi.
Mitsh turbo capable of 250HP.Or a T3 for $300 more($1900 kit)
Internally Wastegated
stainless manifold
mild steel downpipe
all hose couplings and clamps
oil drain and feed lines
powdercoated cold parts
Bosch BOV

This setup would run $1600.Then you would need engine managment.The FMU and Clamp idea would cost you another $295 or the MPI is another option.
I would love to hear everyones idea's.Please pass the word.