GI for 3" turbo back exhaust
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I am by no means trying to flame ES, hell, i'm going to their open house next week.
The exhaust was listed on their website a month ago for $1050 CDN. How is the price of $1350 CDN now a "deal"?
This is the 2nd time they have bumped up the prices of their items before announcing a "sale".
The first time was for the CAI. It was listed for the longest time at about $285 CDN, then they bumped it to $315 when they offerred a "discount".
Ghey times 2. (chair)
The exhaust was listed on their website a month ago for $1050 CDN. How is the price of $1350 CDN now a "deal"?
This is the 2nd time they have bumped up the prices of their items before announcing a "sale".
The first time was for the CAI. It was listed for the longest time at about $285 CDN, then they bumped it to $315 when they offerred a "discount".
Ghey times 2. (chair)
the exhaust will raise your boost. By allowing the exhaust gas to escape the turbo faster, it will be able to spool up to a higher boost. On our cars i do not know exactly how much in a gain it is, but i know on my friends 2g-t, he was able to hit 15psi on stock wastegate settings by simply getting a free flow exhaust and intake. It all depends on factory wastegate settings.
you have to remember that if you experience boost creep in excess of 3lbs over stock your in trouble and need to get it remedied. some people think hey cool ive got more power now but in fact what you have is uncontrolled boost which can cause severe damage. you always wanna be in control of your cars settings and not allow something like boost to run wild. two ways of gettin around boost creep is to either port the wastegate or install a restrictor plate in the exhaust as close to the turbos turbine as possible but not right on it. this will introduce enough back pressure to prevent the creep (sometimes you have to experiment with different size restrictors to get the proper effects).mspro33 said:
PS: it has nothing to do with the wastegates settings, if a wastegate actuator is set to open at 5lbs it doesnt matter whether it sees 6lbs or 20lbs and in both cases it will be open to max... it has to do with the actual physical dimension/size of the wastegate. a certain size can only flow a certain max and thats all after that the gases will go anywhere else. and the only other place they can go is across the turbine side of the turbo
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DZnutz<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_976579", true); </SCRIPT> As quoted from tekkie in a reply above ->
As well, our system does not require boost increase in boost to make power. Our system has also been tested independantly by Turbo & High-Tech Performance magazine [their results have closely parallelled our own in house R&D]
Our systems have proven not to throw any CEL's even the equipped with our optional cat-less race-pipe.
There are quite a few nuances between our system and the one that ES offers. Mainly being that every component is specifically designed for the MSP (for example: in-house made muffler designed specifically for the MSP application). Our system is made of full SS, featuring inside mandrel bent piping as well as hydroformed piping to get the tightest radius possible thus getting maximum ground clearence and highest flow. Our system is one of the only over axle OE type fitting systems in 3" available. Our systems also offer a limited lifetime warranty on manufacture's defects. (ES only offers a 1 yr limited warranty).
As well, our system does not require boost increase in boost to make power. Our system has also been tested independantly by Turbo & High-Tech Performance magazine [their results have closely parallelled our own in house R&D]
Our systems have proven not to throw any CEL's even the equipped with our optional cat-less race-pipe.
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ION please explain how you know all of this information, have you seen the ES system? what do you mean its full SS, is this better than the 304 that they are using?
Their system does not require an increase in boost to produce more power, its a side effect of the upgraded exhaust. Their exhaust does not throw a CEL either from what I am told.
Trust me nobody is bashing your products, its the costs most of us have an issue with. Do you really think that your system is that much better than theirs? I personally dont. Regardless I dont want this to turn into another ION bashing thread so lets end this.
Their system does not require an increase in boost to produce more power, its a side effect of the upgraded exhaust. Their exhaust does not throw a CEL either from what I am told.
Trust me nobody is bashing your products, its the costs most of us have an issue with. Do you really think that your system is that much better than theirs? I personally dont. Regardless I dont want this to turn into another ION bashing thread so lets end this.
So I keep seeing different pricing and information on this...
What did we decide the final group buy price will be? How much will shipping run from Canada? I would like to know the final details so I can determine what I am doing about my exhaust. I am still holding out for Greddy, but a turbo back would be sweet. I am not going to spend over $800 for one though. Thanks!
What did we decide the final group buy price will be? How much will shipping run from Canada? I would like to know the final details so I can determine what I am doing about my exhaust. I am still holding out for Greddy, but a turbo back would be sweet. I am not going to spend over $800 for one though. Thanks!
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ION is just getting ridiculous... regardless of what they say, without a doubt both systems are pretty much the same depending on how good of a job ION did with their cast s-pipe and custom muffler. This reminds me of the time they said their CAI was so radically unique from the Injen that it made something like over 10whp more (drunk), while still being the same diameter and following the exact same route as the Injen.
As of right now this is the pricing as per page one, not sure on the shipping costs yet. I will try and get box and weight dimensions this week so we can determine the shipping costs.nictlg7 said:
Here is the details on the
Pricing IN CDN for 3" turbo back system c/w polished stainless steel muffler.
1>1350.00 or ~990 US
5>1200.00 or ~ 880 US
10>1100.00 or ~ 810 US
**ALL PLUS SHIPPING OR INSTALLATION, AND APPLICABLE TAXES**
options:
-carbon fiber > waiting for pricing will update
-titanium muffler > waiting for pricing will update
- extra bung for WB20.00 cdn
- ceramic coated downpipe>50.00cdn regular 125
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tekkie - just looking to clarify the statement you've made that's all. The differences are from the info given on their website (re: warranty, muffler etc). In regards to material, full stainless means stainless flanges & stainless hardware as well.
As for increased boost, our system will hold boost till redline vs. causing boost creap (ie: increasing boost as a side effect). We're not taking this as product bashing or anything, just wanted to clearly specify that there are differences;Similar yes that could qualify, but "pretty much the same" no that wouldn't be the case.
InsidiousMSP - to clarify a few things FYI, our 1-piece integrated s-pipe/down-pipe is NOT CAST. It is an equal-tuned length design with merge collector. Our stainless muffler section is lighter then even the HKS CF-Ti muffler, and in most cases lighter then knock-off "N1" type Titanium mufflers.
As for the CAI, you're missing one LARGE part of the equation to which why ours does make more power. It's not just in the piping
AutoBox - FYI those so called "full titanium" systems use slip joints (not flanges: thus no welding) as well they are cat-back and not full turbo-back systems. They also do not follow a path to maintain maximum ground clearence. Good luck having those last for more then a year in a daily driving situation for a snow belt area.
As for increased boost, our system will hold boost till redline vs. causing boost creap (ie: increasing boost as a side effect). We're not taking this as product bashing or anything, just wanted to clearly specify that there are differences;Similar yes that could qualify, but "pretty much the same" no that wouldn't be the case.
InsidiousMSP - to clarify a few things FYI, our 1-piece integrated s-pipe/down-pipe is NOT CAST. It is an equal-tuned length design with merge collector. Our stainless muffler section is lighter then even the HKS CF-Ti muffler, and in most cases lighter then knock-off "N1" type Titanium mufflers.
As for the CAI, you're missing one LARGE part of the equation to which why ours does make more power. It's not just in the piping
AutoBox - FYI those so called "full titanium" systems use slip joints (not flanges: thus no welding) as well they are cat-back and not full turbo-back systems. They also do not follow a path to maintain maximum ground clearence. Good luck having those last for more then a year in a daily driving situation for a snow belt area.
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