Future 626 Project: Center console swap and (twin) turbo, is it possible?

[isbre]

Hi

It's time to think new, which is getting an older car to make my MSP fund some of my house redecoration. I have deposited half of the payment and "reserved" a EDM 92 model 626 GE that originally came with the KL03 and the 5 speed manual transmission. Because of high wear ont he original engine the previous (or current if you will) owner changed the engine to a KLZE imported from Japan. The car has a K&N cone filter for clearance from the straight neck intake and a highflow mandrel bent exhaust in stock diamater, the transmission is the original KL03 one. I plan to pick it up after the winter and will post up some pics of the car then.

For now theese are just some thoughts, but I'm hoping to get some answers to check possibilities:
I plan to get a newer front grille (95-onwards) and a newer center console. Question is if I have to stick to the newer GE console or if I can get a more modern 99-02 626 GF center colsole and fit in the car?

Another thing that would be very cool is to go turbo, preferably a twin turbo setup. Questions are of course if there is enough room for two turbos in the engine compartement or if I will have to go with one right before the catalytic converter? How much can the 10:1 pistons take? What can you do for engine management? How much can the stock 5 speed manual take before I have to upgrade the transmission? Will the highflow exhaust be big enough for the extra pressure from going turbo?

 

[Antoine]

Can't wait to see this project take off...Hope you find the info you're looking for...(bump) for an awesome Member and Project! (2thumbs)

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

would love to see some pics if you have them yet.

 

[isbre]

would love to see some pics if you have them yet.

Currently I have deposited half of the price and plan to pick it up as it sits in April after my trip overseas (to you guys) in March since I don't have room for it now. Right now it isn't road worthy either because of rust on the brake lines caused it to fail inspection.

It looks like any other silver, slightly lowered, 92 model EDM 626 with some rust on the rear quarter panels until you open the hood. Wonder if I shold drive it to Poland and have it painted titanium grey??
Except for the electric antenna it's fully loaded with cruise control, A/C, heated side mirrors & some other goodies but it looks a bit oldfashioned inside - Anyone know if a 626 GF (99-02) interior will fit in a GE. (If not I guess I'll be looking for a facelift version interior (95-98)

Theese are the the pics I have for now (from the ad with the cars original wheels):

I will post up some more pics when I do pick up the car

 

[PrinceValorum]

Wow, that has the rare side skirt kit, too!

 

[isbre]

Wow, that has the rare side skirt kit, too!

Actually it isn't. That's the standard side skirt for a 92-97' EDM 626 2.5. I don't think you have to call many scrapyards in Germany (Schrotthndler) before you'll find someone who can send you a set.
Heated window washer nozzels and the rims with the more rectangular symbol found only on the 92' 2.5 models are much more rare.

I'll be picking up this car and transporting to it's new home in the middle of April, I see no reason for tis car to be sitting on my lawn when I'm on a roadtrip in USA in march. Then I'll look into getting it roadworthy again (changing the brakelines) upgrade the interior and changing the grill to the faclift (95-97') version before collecting the plates from "Statens Vegvesen" (our version of the DMV) and getting in back on the road.

I have read about some running twin turbo KLZE at 7psi with stock internals with claimed power up to 300whp but no info on what parts that was used. I have also found some single turbo bolt on sets for the KLZE, but that's about it... Anyone know if I can use two stock MSP turbos with HKS blow off valve in recirc mode on the KLZE?? If so I can look for some of those on this forum, but even so, where can I get the exhaust manifold and downpipe that will fit??
Anyone tried GF interior in a GE??

 

[isbre]

Hi

Here is another pic for those interested. Still haven't done much to it, the first thing I want to do is installing better valve lifters and MSP (white) side blinkers, PM me of you have some or know where I can get some.
Another question is which turbos will fit, can I for example look for two MSP turbos and get on there??

Anyway, not the best storage place I guess, but here is a picture of the car now:

 

[PrinceValorum]

Not many people have gone TT with the KL. There used to be a kit by Thomas Knight for it, though. I've heard it went through transmissions because they couldn't handle the power that it made. If you can't find a pre-made setup like that, you'll have to fabricate your own turbo manifolds and downpipes, or find someone that can do it.

 

[HKPRO5]

Or you could go with a remote single turbo... =)

 

[StealthWyvern]

Just do one big turbo and be done with it. Easier cheapr and more then likely faster. Single turbo supras are faster then the twin turbo ones.

 

[PrinceValorum]

Just do one big turbo and be done with it. Easier cheapr and more then likely faster. Single turbo supras are faster then the twin turbo ones.

Yeah, but have a buttload more lag if it's one massive turbo. It just depends on what you're after.

 

[isbre]

Or you could go with a remote single turbo... =)

Just do one big turbo and be done with it. Easier cheapr and more then likely faster. Single turbo supras are faster then the twin turbo ones.

IMO turbo lag time is more important than the size of the turbo for daily driving, so unless there are two turbos in dual stage mode or at the very least a variable geometry big turbo's are not my favorite, and doesn't singel turbo on a V engine mean that the turbo has to sit a lot further away where the two downpipes lead to further increase the lag time?
Besides I don't think it to be safe to go over 6, or maybe 7, psi on the stock internals which I at least for now intend to keep.

But the very first thing I intend to do is to change to better valve lifters, but where can I get them??
Another thing I need to do soon is to get better suspension, anyone know of a good stbilizer bar and coilover upgrade for this one?

 

[xxxmonoxidechil]

turbo lag just means the turbo isnt the right size for its application. look at the factory turbo 626's. they hit there full TQ at 2400 RPM. thats def not any boost lag. lol.

def just do a single turbo. it will cost half the money, be half the work, and make the same amount of power. plus it wont involve a welder or having to fabricate everything from scratch

 

[StealthWyvern]

turbo lag just means the turbo isnt the right size for its application. look at the factory turbo 626's. they hit there full TQ at 2400 RPM. thats def not any boost lag. lol.

def just do a single turbo. it will cost half the money, be half the work, and make the same amount of power. plus it wont involve a welder or having to fabricate everything from scratch

that or a piss poor tune

 

[PrinceValorum]

But the very first thing I intend to do is to change to better valve lifters, but where can I get them??

Check out these that Xtremethings has for sale

http://www.xtremethings.com/Products.htm

Another thing I need to do soon is to get better suspension, anyone know of a good stbilizer bar and coilover upgrade for this one?

For the sway/stabilizer/anti-roll bar, K6F makes one in 19mm, and there are a few that make bigger ones (AWR has a 21mm I think, but just be sure you know what'll happen with it)
http://www.king6fab.com/19mm.html

For coilovers, I've heard that the ones from the BJ Protege will fit, although I haven't tried it. I'd like to in the future, as it opens up the doors to a lot more products!
On our platform, we have Ksport, which has a bit of a valving issue on their track record, though a lot of people are talking about how the new ones have fixed that problem.

 

[isbre]

I did check out the website from Xtremethings, I will probably send him an e-mail and at least get the intake springs.

Seing how much a FMIC does in terms of lag with a stock MSP i don't think I'll even consider single turbo. The way I see I have three alternatives: Twin Turbo, Compressor or keep it NA.
Mazda did twin turbo this engine with their 626 MPS (GF) but unfortunately they only made a handful of cars and it never was sold, still it would be interesting to know what turbos they used (and suspension for that matter)
I'll probably get some bigger injectors and fuel pump anyways, thinking about looking for some Millenia S injectors, does anybody know if the well known Walbro 255 fuel pump is good for this car?
For brakes I guess that Mazda 6 MPS (Or Mazdaspeed 6) brakes will fit, right?

PrinceValorum: Do let me know if you figure out if BJ coilovers will work!

xxxmonoxidechil: Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't turbo lag the time, that really should be there, between when you hit the gas pedal wanting to use boost until the turbo has spooled up, compressed the air in the pipes and intercooler and you get the amount of boost you want into the engine and has nothing to do with the RPM range the turbo is working? I mean most diesels has max TQ under 2000RPM but it does take a second or three between me hitting the gas and the turbo works it's magic, especially in older Diesel cars.

From what I've heard SEMA is all about new cars, but there might be someone there that can help me get some engine upgrade parts there?

 

[HKPRO5]

SEMA is about new parts for cars not new cars. Are you going? I'll be there as well.

Also if you fit a proper sized turbo, you should have minimal lag.

Or you could do a twin charge setup. Supercharger/turbo.

 

[PrinceValorum]

Yes, Mazda 6 brakes fit, or MS6 brakes also fit, but you'll need bigger wheels, 16" minimum.

 

[isbre]

SEMA is about new parts for cars not new cars. Are you going? I'll be there as well.

Also if you fit a proper sized turbo, you should have minimal lag.

Or you could do a twin charge setup. Supercharger/turbo.

Twin charge has crossed my mind, but I pretty much scrapped that idea because I plan to at least at first keep the stock internals that from what I've read only takes 6 to maybe 7 psi due to the higher compression and building the lower end will probably outcost the car. I will rather build a FS3G in a 01-03 323F Sportive or maybe a Subaru Impreza if I'm to go all out, if I get a compressor I think I would stop there. Converting to 4WD would be hard and my hopes doesn't extend beyond 250-280 on the wheels, don't think that's unrealistic since I've read of 300 on the wheels on 7 psi.
I guess I could use a GT28RS that probably will yield minimal lag, but in my mind there is still an issue with all those pipes the air has to travel through both on the exhaust and intake side.

I'm going to SEMA for the first time this year with aturbolvr. I'm landing in Vegas and will go on a roadtrip from 20th with a rental (2 door convertible automatic Mustang or similar) Planning Los Angeles, US1 to San Francisco and Heast Castle, Hwy50 thorugh Nevada (Lonliest Highway in America) Flying to Denver to visit a friend and driving back to Vegas for the Conference. Would love to meet you there, and let me know if you want to join in on the roadtrip!

Yes, Mazda 6 brakes fit, or MS6 brakes also fit, but you'll need bigger wheels, 16" minimum.

It is standing on 17" summer tires now, I plan on getting rid of the stock 15" and getting another set for the winter, but can I use 16" on MPS brakes?? I thought those brakes has 17" as the limit, would love to use 16" since those winter tires are a lot cheaper than 17"

There is a lot of questions to be answered here, thanks for all the help guys!!
Another one right now, does a MFactory LSD for the G series transmission like the MSP fit in this car??

 

[PrinceValorum]

in my mind there is still an issue with all those pipes the air has to travel through both on the exhaust and intake side.

And a twin turbo setup will have less piping?

Yes, the MFactory LSD will work for the G series transmission.

Here's the info about the brakes.
http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701255346