True the FS-DE is the same motor as in the probe but the FS-ZE is a totally different beast only found in the sport 20 and capella Japanese model mazda's. The pistons that mp3moose is goign to install are not FS-ZE pistons they are slightly higher compression the FS-ZE has a 10.5:1 compression while the pistons he is going to install have a 10.7:1 compression these pistons come from a special edition run MAZDASPEED protege in japan that was released shortly after the MP3 and only had a limited run of 150 units. This is also where the Mazdaspeed header, exhaust cam, and flywheel come from they are all shipped in OEM boxes as they are OEM parts. instead of the 170ps power rating the Mazdaspeed Protege had a 175ps rating in otherwords an actual 170 hp same power but much more torque than the new Mazdaspeed that is coming out with a turbo. The J-Spec version was a N/A car not turbo....this is starting to make my head spin. Hope that clears up some....oh yeah the FS-ZE motor DOES NOT have the Mazdaspeed Camshaft like some people think the only way to get this camshaft in the motor stock is to find the *modified* FS-ZE that was in the Mazdaspeed model in Japan.
FS-ZE engine build
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Its nice to see someone goig with a NA setup keep up the good work guys and let us know your progress. I personally love turbos but l love all facits and like different setups. I would like to have another fs engine to play with in the future to go NA, think it would be fun. Personally besides what people say on this board I think the fs can make good power in NA form in my oppinion it is deffinetly a spunky engine. I would check out probetalk though, because they have been playing with this engine for a couple of years in NA form and turbo where not many people hear really want to touch it in NA.
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DJB00TS said:
The FS-ZE issue has been covered already. And I heard VW Vortex was the best on-line community ever? This is a pretty good place too.
And I am sure no one on probetalk acts immature at times...
And I am sure no one on probetalk acts immature at times...
Actually usually when I used to go over to check them out there no one ever really does. Probetalk is made up uf alot of car clubs too that go to the track alot and people who have had their car for a long time without reliability problems. Another thing I noticed about probe owners is they love their cars dont care if its not the fastest and so on. Most probe owners do their best to never get rid of their probe and maybe thats why.
Actually usually when I used to go over to check them out there no one ever really does. Probetalk is made up uf alot of car clubs too that go to the track alot and people who have had their car for a long time without reliability problems. Another thing I noticed about probe owners is they love their cars dont care if its not the fastest and so on. Most probe owners do their best to never get rid of their probe and maybe thats why.
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twizyours said:
So what you are saying is that sometimes they do act immature as well...
I have never seen one act immature. I dont go their all the time but I have never seen anyone act really immature. But maybe if they do it just ends quicker. It really doesnt matter though, because their are alot of good people hear. Was just responding.
Lets try to keep this post on track because you dont get to many NA build ups on hear. I am really interested to see what anyone gets on our setup NA.
Oh yeah second cam is on the way, cant wait!!!!
Lets try to keep this post on track because you dont get to many NA build ups on hear. I am really interested to see what anyone gets on our setup NA.
Oh yeah second cam is on the way, cant wait!!!!
DeathKnight
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I guess I'll jump in at this point.
My name is Eric. I'm a Probe guy. I'm one of two (you know the other) moderators for the 2.0 forums on Probetalk. I've been reading over here for some time now.
The FSZE is not a Probe engine, I'm not quite sure what was meant by that comment. Most often I've seen the FSZEs on US soil come from Capellas.
Unfortunately, for us the FSZE doesn't swap without a large amount fo difficulty. At this time there is only one person I can speak of that claims to have it up and running. One person even swapped it, then swapped it back a few months later just because he couldn't get it to run correctly.
The main problem comes with the intake manifold, as we have nothing to control it. Though we've discussed how it might be possible extensively.
The current trend with us seems to be turbocharging, as there are quite a few guys building up home kits or buying kits ready to install.
If you guys want to, there is a good deal of information in the 2.0 Performance Forum on ProbeTalk. Just use the search option to find it. I'm sure we're due some discussion on the subject. Unfortunately we lost some good information a while ago when we switched board formats, but there's still a good deal there.
In terms of acting immature: It's a message board. It's no different than any other. The moderators work hard to keep that type of stuff out of the technical and performance forums. The only major differences may be that we have a pretty good and experienced staff and a lot of members.
In my personal opinion of the motor, I would have to agree with LinuxRacr. I don't believe that the difference will be all that significant and the engine itself could be a dead end. It may not be in good condidtion obviously, but I believe it would be rather hard (read: expensive) to get more power out of it. Should that level of power be your ultimate goal, then by all means go for it. It just seems to be quite an expensive option for the trouble it might cause.
Turbocharging it is not a great option. For more N/A power the heads would need to be worked (pretty extensively). Cams could be ground as the ones in the FSZE are still rather mild and based on economy. Nitrous Oxide injection could be viable, but again, the engine may not be in good shape.
My outlook would be that for the price of the engine, I could buy forged pistons and connecting rods and be well on my way to readying the motor for turbo (another 3-4 grand with a lot of potential for power) or a natrually aspirated monster (another 2-3 grand for headwork and tuning to round things off).
(I usually lose sight of my point when I write long winded posts like this, so I hope most of these things (mostly opinions granted) make sense.)
Thanks guys,
Eric
My name is Eric. I'm a Probe guy. I'm one of two (you know the other) moderators for the 2.0 forums on Probetalk. I've been reading over here for some time now.
The FSZE is not a Probe engine, I'm not quite sure what was meant by that comment. Most often I've seen the FSZEs on US soil come from Capellas.
Unfortunately, for us the FSZE doesn't swap without a large amount fo difficulty. At this time there is only one person I can speak of that claims to have it up and running. One person even swapped it, then swapped it back a few months later just because he couldn't get it to run correctly.
The main problem comes with the intake manifold, as we have nothing to control it. Though we've discussed how it might be possible extensively.
The current trend with us seems to be turbocharging, as there are quite a few guys building up home kits or buying kits ready to install.
If you guys want to, there is a good deal of information in the 2.0 Performance Forum on ProbeTalk. Just use the search option to find it. I'm sure we're due some discussion on the subject. Unfortunately we lost some good information a while ago when we switched board formats, but there's still a good deal there.
In terms of acting immature: It's a message board. It's no different than any other. The moderators work hard to keep that type of stuff out of the technical and performance forums. The only major differences may be that we have a pretty good and experienced staff and a lot of members.
In my personal opinion of the motor, I would have to agree with LinuxRacr. I don't believe that the difference will be all that significant and the engine itself could be a dead end. It may not be in good condidtion obviously, but I believe it would be rather hard (read: expensive) to get more power out of it. Should that level of power be your ultimate goal, then by all means go for it. It just seems to be quite an expensive option for the trouble it might cause.
Turbocharging it is not a great option. For more N/A power the heads would need to be worked (pretty extensively). Cams could be ground as the ones in the FSZE are still rather mild and based on economy. Nitrous Oxide injection could be viable, but again, the engine may not be in good shape.
My outlook would be that for the price of the engine, I could buy forged pistons and connecting rods and be well on my way to readying the motor for turbo (another 3-4 grand with a lot of potential for power) or a natrually aspirated monster (another 2-3 grand for headwork and tuning to round things off).
(I usually lose sight of my point when I write long winded posts like this, so I hope most of these things (mostly opinions granted) make sense.)
Thanks guys,
Eric
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Just found this site... it should clear up most of these threads... I'm interested because I would like to swap my stock 02 Mp5 motor to the FS-ZE
Any thoughts???
OH ya ... Hi i am new around here
Later...
http://www.protegefaq.net/ check it out
Just found this site... it should clear up most of these threads... I'm interested because I would like to swap my stock 02 Mp5 motor to the FS-ZE
Any thoughts???
OH ya ... Hi i am new around here
Later...
http://www.protegefaq.net/ check it out
mp3moose said:
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Just found this site... it should clear up most of these threads... I'm interested because I would like to swap my stock 02 Mp5 motor to the FS-ZE
Any thoughts???
OH ya ... Hi i am new around here
Later...
http://www.protegefaq.net/ check it out
