Front Mount

[InsidiousMSP]

I am leaning toward the corksport cat-back and then going out to get a downpipe that eliminates the second cat. I already have one cat removed.

You had the first cat cut off and a straight pipe welded on the stock assembly? Why didn't you just remove both?

 

[Brian MP5T]

One of the reasons for the front mount intercooler is for show. My goal is to be in HIN in Chicago by July or August so I am looking some stuff as far as looks. Exhaust will be my first mod for sure. I am leaning toward the corksport cat-back and then going out to get a downpipe that eliminates the second cat. I already have one cat removed. See here in Iowa you dont need to worry anything about all that emissions bullcrap. Has anyone purchased the Greddy cat-back yet? As far as turning up the boost, I am not even considering turning up my boost yet. That subject hasnt even crossed my mind.

One of the big reasons for the purchase of the fmic is because of funds that are available at this moment in time to make such a purchase

Post pics when you are done/during the install. I like to see how other people made room for hard pipes. Mine actually runs under the radiator support on both sides. I could not bear the think about cutting the metal to the left and right of the rad. oh Well. You can see them from the front under the car. I think it's great that you have decided to FMIC your car. Making up for a Mazda shortcoming ( IMO ).

Later...Brian

 

[Brian MP5T]

You had the first cat cut off and a straight pipe welded on the stock assembly? Why didn't you just remove both?

You still need one to pass emmisions.

You could change to a high flow and none if you really want to cut down the drag.

(p5white)

 

[mazdaspeed75]

ok

Fyi guys ion fmic helped my 1/4 mile times by almost .2 a second So when i get the turbo back and greddy e 01 It will be sweet. Coming after discreet speed MuMUMUMHAHAHAH

 

[boostisgood]

Now that I am home, and can actually have this discussion, why would you think the majority of my posts are BS, and misleading Insidious ?

You dont think that the S pipe is exteemley restrictive on the MSP ? do you KNOW what pipe im talking about ? Where the hell do you actually get off saying im misleading, and dont know what Im talking about ? I really do not want to start a flamewar here, but do you really know what YOU are talking about ? I mean, you DID blow YOUR motor recently, not me.

Do you know the differences between a tube and fin, and a Bar and plate IC ? Do you understand flow characteristics of intake charges, and exhaust gasses ? Seriously bro, If I was new to the FI secen, and looking for advice, I sure as hell would not take it from soneone who crapped a motor.

Just my 0.02.

 

[mazdaspeed75]

Does the callaway casted s pipe take away that much flow ?

 

[Eric-BlackMSP]

From what I hear the stock S pipe is restrictive, maybe not as much as people would say, but it is none the less.

Either way to should be replaced in one wants to make more power via boost, as it will alevate a lot of pressure from the exhaust mani and aid in spool up.

I say we stop with the arguing and just try to help other people and if our opinions disagree, lets just agree to disagree. Fighting doesnt solve anything, it only confuses people.

-Eric

 

[ForceFed]

You dont think that the S pipe is exteemley restrictive on the MSP ? do you KNOW what pipe im talking about ?

Craig,you know you are my boy but i have to dis-agree with you on this.The S-pipe off of the turbo is NOT very restrictive.I will SHOW you the flow numbers if you like.No one but Craig ask for these numbers as I WILL NOT POST THEM!
Sorry dude but the S-pipe is not the restriction,its the 1 7/8'' piping the cats utilize and the cats them selves.There is very little to be gained with replacing the S-pipe when matched to the T25.
Matt
Sorry Bro

 

[boostisgood]

Matt, I would like to see them, and I wont share them Well, it would seem that the minimal gains people have recieved from a DP (not the casting S pipe, but the next one) back exhaust need to be explained then.

IIRC, you have to turn your boost up above 9 psi to get a better WHP number then me at the dyno. I had factory exhaust and 8.5 psi, and you had the Apex DP. and it took your 4th run with over 9 psi to produce higher numbers then me.

Seems we need to clear this up bro, as I dont want to give wrong information, but everything I have read/seen/tested points to the S pipe being resrictive.

BTW, with that data, does it include the velocity that the exchaust travels out of the turbo on the MPS, ora preset velocity, with a guesstamate ?

 

[ForceFed]

Aghhh yes.....The back to back dyno runs????
Those were good days

But did you forget that you had the injen on and I was on a stock intake?
Or,how about the fact that along with that intake you also have the Flash?I am sure the flash is worth a few ponies?

Oh yes...let us not forget the TORQUE CURVE difference?

Need I say more..........

Like I said, you are my BRO ,but some things we just don't see eye to eye.

CAN WE WORK THROUGH THIS MAN?

You KNOW I still LOVE YOU man!(k)

Matt

Edit: I will call you tomorrow and tell you what I know on the S-pipe

BTW,it would be nice if someone *cough*Aftershock*cough*
would get the dyno Vid up for the forum to see!

 

[boostisgood]

Ahhh, I had the K&N Cone filter on only. Yes I was flashed.

Yeah, Your torque was Higher then mine on the 3rd run. Yano its all good like a nun on easter sunday with us. Gimmie a ring this afternoon bro, and let me know that info. Mind if I share it with my exhaust guy ?

Yeah, Ill talk to frank again about getting it on the site.

 

[AutoBox]

honeslty i dont see anyone improving the s-pipe design unless they make it more of a half moon setup but then it would have to also include the dp as one setup...i think thats what ion is doin for thier full dp setup....the possible flow restriction is in the tight ass bends that lead make up the pipe.....i mean callaway really crammed that turbo in there...in either case...ill have dyno numbers of a stock msp vs. a msp with a s-pipe back 3" setup in a couple weeks

 

[boostisgood]

cool beans autobox. I still standy by my statement that the S pipe is a really restrictive setup in the MSP.

 

[InsidiousMSP]

Just curious boostisgood, have you measured the distance between the studs on the s-pipe? Have you even looked inside of it? Hell, have you even held it in your hand?

Only because you ask, my opinion on you was based from your posts I've read in the past. You just seem like you base everything off things you read on this forum. No real harm with that, I figure everyone is still learning. But you give, in my opinion, ridiculous advice a lot based off your assumptions that you've gathered from the internet. You have your car flashed for crying out loud, lol. That doesn't make me dislike you though. I'm not going to yell at you.

You saying you wouldn't take advice from someone who "crapped a motor" also makes me believe you have pretty much no clue what you're talking about either. Name one record holder in the history of motorsports who hasn't blown a motor while pushing a car to it's limits. Why do you think I threw a rod? I bet you'll try to guess with no info on my scenario.

What exactly have you done to your MSP?

 

[Brian MP5T]

A Valid Point! (2thumbs) Motor sports and street racing have similarities in that the driver always wants the most out of the engine. Blowing engines is part of the game, it's really unfortunate but if you want "The Most" you need to risk it all.

 

[azian6er]

Just curious boostisgood, have you measured the distance between the studs on the s-pipe? Have you even looked inside of it? Hell, have you even held it in your hand?

Only because you ask, my opinion on you was based from your posts I've read in the past. You just seem like you base everything off things you read on this forum. No real harm with that, I figure everyone is still learning. But you give, in my opinion, ridiculous advice a lot based off your assumptions that you've gathered from the internet. You have your car flashed for crying out loud, lol. That doesn't make me dislike you though. I'm not going to yell at you.

You saying you wouldn't take advice from someone who "crapped a motor" also makes me believe you have pretty much no clue what you're talking about either. Name one record holder in the history of motorsports who hasn't blown a motor while pushing a car to it's limits. Why do you think I threw a rod? I bet you'll try to guess with no info on my scenario.

What exactly have you done to your MSP?

i didnt know your engine went poo poo. Welcome to the club!

-B

 

[azian6er]

here s a pic on topic to lighten the mood:

 

[boostisgood]

Ahh, I push my engine to the limits brother. I just dont pop it. I, unlike many onthis forum, cannot afford to drop 5k on a rebuilt motor, nor will my mom or dad buy me a new one.

Yes, I have held the S pipe in my hands, this past weekend as a matter of fact. No, I have not had mine of my car, but a basic knowledge of flow characteristics, and just LOOKI(NG at the damn thing tells me that it creates MAD turbulance for the exhaust, and the severity of the bends slows flow down quite much.

I, myelf, am caustious when building my CARS I like to do mine right the first time, and not have to spend extra money. You can relate yourself to a "race car driver" all you want. The point is simple, you bolted on some mods, cranked the boost, tried running iwth supras, and crapped the motor.

I ran 9 psi daily, before I sold my Boost controller, and knew what gears that was safe in, what it was not, when I had more then me in the car, to adjust my boost levels to compensate for the added weight. ECT ECT.

I learn from people on this forum, and take that knowledge, apply it to my work, and improve on it.

Again, please refrain from trying to compare yourself from someone like Mario Andretti or Ligenfelter, as your a guy with a Mazdaspeed Protege, just like me, not some super tuner, with a 1000 WHP supra, lookin to hit 200 mph at the salt flats.

 

[Brian MP5T]

^^^ WTF. The pic didn't completely show. What is so funny about a TV??

 

[boostisgood]

BTW bro, I really dont wanna get into it with you, but maybe we could have a civil discussion, away from the forums. Like on AIM, or through PMS.

Dirty laundry is best kept in house, and not aired to the public.