Free Mod: Modify your maf!
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He doesn't - none of us do. But what we can all agree on is this. The Protege is an econobox, so is the MSP. Mazda built these cars to sell and make money. Don't fool youself into thinking that they spent one extra cent on the car they didn't need to. So when someone talks about free HP gains by removing items found in the engine bay - yeah, we are all going to react and ask the person to please use some common sense.KyRaceFan said:
We love our cars - hell, I'm paying mine off so I can get an SRT4, and I still love my protege, I just want something that looks like a skittle and has more HP.
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My point being - we look out for each other as best we can on this forum. If you really want to make a difference, just run with a 1/4 tank of gas. The weight savings alone are going to make a bigger difference and it's safe. Worst thing that could happen is your run out and have to call AAA.
Micah said:
SHE doesnt.
I totally agree with you. This is an econobox. Ive also talked to DSM guys whove been doing it for years with no side effects.
Look at my posts, and try to tell me i dont look out for the community, or that i give bad advice.
Anyways, :werd: on the not getting laid thing.. and i have a g/f.
Mine fell out due to vibration I'd assume. Over the next few months, the MAF signal got so screwed up my milege was down to 11-12 mpg. They put in a new MAF and it went back to 22ish. I really would not suggest doing it. There are bigger restrictions than the MAF screen.
Britt
Britt
Its not a screen at all, its a honeycomb that makes the air going in to go in smoother. In fact, not having it in is the worse thing you CAN do because it almost creates a vortex without it. Trust me, as a previous DSM owner, I can guarantee you that none of them (the smart ones at least) ever took out, or messed with the honeycomb, however there is a mod they can do where they unscrew this bolt on the bottom of the MAS to let in more unmeasured air. Honeycombs are good 
If you really want to mess around with your MAS find one from a junkyard cheap that way you dont **** up the only one you have and end up paying an arm and a leg for a new one at the dealer.
If you really want to mess around with your MAS find one from a junkyard cheap that way you dont **** up the only one you have and end up paying an arm and a leg for a new one at the dealer.
Yeah, it smooths the airflow going through the MAF, without it the air can get turbulent and give flakey readings. Not a good idea to remove it, nothing to really be gained there and actually, if it sees more air, it will only make fuel cut worse.
Joe
Joe
Dexter said:
Lol, don't you still have the FCD in the car? The way that is modded really shouldn't do anything except lean the car out a touch. If you have an FMIC, you probably increased airflow a bit, so the MAF isn't reading too far off from what it would be stock ..
Again, PLEASE don't let just anyone "diagnose" your car- so far, they have all been wrong especially those morons at the dyno.
Joe
..Again, PLEASE don't let just anyone "diagnose" your car- so far, they have all been wrong especially those morons at the dyno
.Joe
mazdaspeedchick said:
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I Think this is the stupidest thread I have yet to see!
Umm, no- again- the problem is you have the FCD in it and you drive it like grandma and are getting a low airflow code due to the FCD pulling "some" fuel at cruise- it has happened to like 3 people so far- all of them drive slow and let the car idle a lot. If I were there, I would double check for you to see if it is still there, but I did leave it in. Please don't say there are problems that aren't there, that car has a lot of history and R&D into it, when people that don't know what they are doing look at things they have no clue about, they are quick to point fingers when all they are really doing is hurting you more. The MAF is fine the way it is. It still has the honeycomb in front of the sensor chamber (what actually measures airflow).. Man, if I knew that the car was going to go through all this, I would have kept it and kept making records with it- it deservers better than strobes and colored hose kits 
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Joe
and are getting a low airflow code due to the FCD pulling "some" fuel at cruise- it has happened to like 3 people so far- all of them drive slow and let the car idle a lot. If I were there, I would double check for you to see if it is still there, but I did leave it in. Please don't say there are problems that aren't there, that car has a lot of history and R&D into it, when people that don't know what they are doing look at things they have no clue about, they are quick to point fingers when all they are really doing is hurting you more. The MAF is fine the way it is. It still has the honeycomb in front of the sensor chamber (what actually measures airflow).. Man, if I knew that the car was going to go through all this, I would have kept it and kept making records with it- it deservers better than strobes and colored hose kits .Joe
mazdaspeedchick said:
Or should have just let me looked at it from the start to see what the dealer did and didn't leave in it so you knew what you were working with. Having people that have no clue look at it isn't going to help you any. If the FCD is still in the car, it is as simple as just snipping one lead on the FCD itself and no more CEL, but I guess since the car is so hacked and it is in the hands of professionals now, they already knew that. I would gladly take that car back in a heartbeat- there is nothing wrong with the car, just the people working on it. Sorry, not trying to be harsh, but damn, we've discussed this stuff before. It goes from smoking a mid 13 second WRX down 211 to a half assed car that is being "tuned" and diagnosed by people I wouldn't even let park in the same lot as the car when I had it. If you want to set up a time to meet sometime, I will go over the whole car, see what is there and what is gone and get it back to how it should be- but you have to keep the expert "tuners" away from it so it doesn't get all ****** up again . Trust me- there is NO ONE in Middletown or the surrounding areas that should be doing any more than an oil change on that car- I lived there for 8 years, I know this for a fact .
Joe
. Trust me- there is NO ONE in Middletown or the surrounding areas that should be doing any more than an oil change on that car- I lived there for 8 years, I know this for a fact .Joe
mazdaspeedchick said:
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Lol, no. She bought my old car from the dealership I traded it in at. She is actually pretty cool, we have aim'ed back and for a bit. The problem is the people that give her advice on the car. She is trying, but between them not knowing what they are doing and us not knowing what the dealer left in or removed, it is frustrating for her since it all seems so bad. If I were closer, I would have looked it over and told her what needs to be done- the right way. I used to live near where she is now and it is all ricers who think they are expert tuners. Then there are the mega modded cars that are slow as piss because they have no clue what they are doing. The majority of the cars are typical ricer s*** though- a LOT of it!!!
Joe
Joe
DSM2MSP said:Are you guys ex lovers or something that hate each other?
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BinaryRotary
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Heres something from another site on this :
The Mass Airflow Sensor can't get an accurate reading without the screen.
This is because the screen is used to smooth out the turbulant air in
being pulled into the engine. If the screen is removed, sure there is
suddenly less of a restriction... BUT, the computer can not measure this
accurately. In fact, if you noticed the numbers above, the MAF sensor
was sending erratic and LOWER numbers to the PCM.
Removing the screen will do nothing for your performance in a 3800 seriesII v6.
The lower MAF input and erratic readings make the computer think it's getting less incoming air than it actually is. That will do you no good. It clearly affected the idle quality in an adverse way. It did nothing for throttle response OR gas mileage. So... In my opinion, this mod is a waste of time and energy.
That said, hardly any of you knew the correct answer so maybe you shouldn't have bashed the guy. Yes, its been proven it actually decreases mpg and hp but theres no need to call the guy a 'ricer'. You people are being pathetic. Instead of bashing people on the board maybe you should point them in the right direction.
The Mass Airflow Sensor can't get an accurate reading without the screen.
This is because the screen is used to smooth out the turbulant air in
being pulled into the engine. If the screen is removed, sure there is
suddenly less of a restriction... BUT, the computer can not measure this
accurately. In fact, if you noticed the numbers above, the MAF sensor
was sending erratic and LOWER numbers to the PCM.
Removing the screen will do nothing for your performance in a 3800 seriesII v6.
The lower MAF input and erratic readings make the computer think it's getting less incoming air than it actually is. That will do you no good. It clearly affected the idle quality in an adverse way. It did nothing for throttle response OR gas mileage. So... In my opinion, this mod is a waste of time and energy.
That said, hardly any of you knew the correct answer so maybe you shouldn't have bashed the guy. Yes, its been proven it actually decreases mpg and hp but theres no need to call the guy a 'ricer'. You people are being pathetic. Instead of bashing people on the board maybe you should point them in the right direction.
