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[lc_MS3]

No because they tried and didn't let me drive the Fairlane. They said NO no matter how many times I asked....IE. Responsible Parenting.

Your avoiding the question, IF YOU CRASHED THE TRUCK, WOULD YOU BLAME YOUR PARENTS?

 

[Bravnik]

Ah - I didn't avoid anything. I said NO because shy of not letting me drive at all, they did their best, they were responsible by not letting me drive the fast car even though I begged all the time. If I would have killed myself in the truck then so be it. My fault.

 

[kickniteasy]

I'm sorry, letting a kid that age drive a car like like is irresponsible on the parents part. Why let your kid drive a car built for performance and expect him to do anything less than to try and drive it the way it was intended to be driven. Is it completely their fault he went out and crashed/killed himself.....no, that was the kid's decision. However, the parents should assume some of the responsibility for putting their child in a dangerous situation.....ie: young kid and fast car. My parents gave me a 93 escort hatch...if I went out and crahsed it trying to top it out that'd be my fault, but at least they didn't give me something with the capability and temptation to go that fast and be that reckless at that young an age.

 

[happy and angry]

I guess you missed the part about him having enough sense to not let me take the Fairlane out alone. By limiting my access to the F150 and then purchasing me a mint 71 Ford Ranger F150 as my first car (You see my family liked the classics) they helped keep me from killing myself. Did I abuse my Truck.....you bet. Could I do 140 and 13secs in it.....nope. Think god!

Again: had you done something stupid in it and end up dead or having killed someone else, would you have held them responsible? Because an F150 is more than powerful enough to get dead in - any car is. You're avoiding the question.

 

[lc_MS3]

Ah - I didn't avoid anything. I said NO because shy of not letting me drive at all, they did their best, they were responsible by not letting me drive the fast car even though I begged all the time. If I would have killed myself in the truck then so be it. My fault.

That is the point. If what you were doing would have killed you what difference does it make if you are in a truck or a bimmer?

 

[Akaveli]

Wtf...this is just crazy, couple days ago we was discussing this.

 

[happy and angry]

If I would have killed myself in the truck then so be it. My fault.

So it's your fault if you die in a slow car, but die in a fast car and blame the parents? The parents do well enough to afford nice cars, you're fortunate enough to be born to them, and because your dad has an M5 in the garage he lets you borrow instead of your mom's SL500, your parents are to blame?

Wow, dude. That's pretty special logic there.

 

[lc_MS3]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=5902266

Did the car have anything to do with this kid crashing?^^^^

 

[wolverine_man]

I was allowed to drive two hig performance vehicles with my father's permission when I was only 17. However, I was an extremely responsible and smart teenager - the kind who is more interested in studying and getting all As, than showing off and partying.

Most alarming about this situation, which has been mentioned, is that this kid brought along his friends to partake in this completely reckless behavior.

 

[Witchdoktor]

what do we have here? another teenager with irresponsible parents who killed/injured people with a fast car

not sure why mods closed last thread like this

 

[lc_MS3]

what do we have here? another teenager with irresponsible parents who killed/injured people with a fast car

not sure why mods closed last thread like this

Probably because some people have no hearts, and want to lynch the parents for their childs bad decision.

 

[Bravnik]

Again: had you done something stupid in it and end up dead or having killed someone else, would you have held them responsible? Because an F150 is more than powerful enough to get dead in - any car is. You're avoiding the question.

That is the point. If what you were doing would have killed you what difference does it make if you are in a truck or a bimmer?

Do you guys read what you write? I answered this question already 2 times. The point is responsible parenting here, not if I kill myself on a skateboard. I probably would have killed myself or wrecked the Fairlane as it was fast as hell and WAY too much car for me at 16. My parents were responsible by NOT letting me drive the Fairlane and also by not letting me get the Trans Am I wanted when I was 16. I had no choice in the car I got.

The whole point was that its IRRESPONSIBLE for a parent to let a 16-18year old drive a 240+HP car. That it's a parents job is to try to protect their child and not increase their risk by buying them a sports car and hope and pray they have enough snap to respect it.

Any parent that thinks they can get their kid a sports car and their not going to test its limits is an utter fool. That's like saying my kid will NEVER smoke or do drugs....the odds are that they will if they have not already done so. I would MUCH rather my kid test the limits of a Civic than an MS3 or M5.

 

[Ebruess]

It's one thing to put yourself in danger out on a closed track but it's another to endanger your friends lives too. I'm 17 years old and I have been behind the wheel of many fast sports car due to some great opportunities I have had. It takes responsibility to drive a high powered sports car. It's truly sad that five lives were lost because of one person's irresponsible choices.

 

[RelliMS3]

I'd be curious to see some kind of figure that shows if it is more common, or how much more common for kids to kill themselves in high performance cars. Sure they can go faster but they stop and handle a hell of a lot better. I'm sure plenty of kids die in plain old beaters too. I'm curious if anyone has proof of if any type of car is more dangerous. I think people are too quickly assuming that fast cars=death.

 

[jbiird317]

what do we have here? another teenager with irresponsible parents who killed/injured people with a fast car

not sure why mods closed last thread like this

the last thread was getting out of hand with ppl arguing, this one seems civil

this really is a sad situation, i know most young drivers want to think they have great skills. Some may have skills, but there is no skill that can replace experience on the roads.

as for the parents. Im 23 and my dad got a used 540i 2 years ago, still I have only driven it once, and he was in the passenger seat. my car is probly just as powerful, but its all about having respect for it. I paid for that car, so obviously im gonna be careful with it. as for my dads, because of his restriction i respect it; tossing a kid the keys to a 100,000 dollar car is pretty much just rolling over and letting ur kids do whatever they want. im not saying the parents are at fault, but they are certainly not helping the situation any.

 

[lc_MS3]

Do you guys read what you write? I answered this question already 2 times. The point is responsible parenting here, not if I kill myself on a skateboard. I probably would have killed myself or wrecked the Fairlane as it was fast as hell and WAY too much car for me at 16. My parents were responsible by NOT letting me drive the Fairlane and also by not letting me get the Trans Am I wanted when I was 16. I had no choice in the car I got.

The whole point was that its IRRESPONSIBLE for a parent to let a 16-18year old drive a 240+HP car. That it's a parents job is to try to protect their child and not increase their risk by buying them a sports car and hope and pray they have enough snap to respect it.

Any parent that thinks they can get their kid a sports car and their not going to test its limits is an utter fool. That's like saying my kid will NEVER smoke or do drugs....the odds are that they will if they have not already done so. I would MUCH rather my kid test the limits of a Civic than an MS3 or M5.

When you admit to doing drugs and stupid s*** in a f150, you are going against everything else you say. If you did stupid s*** in that, what would you have done in a trans-am? The point is, not all kids are like what you and your friends might have been like. Some of us really don't care what others think or feel a need to always be proving ourselves or our cars. I don't do stupid stuff like that because I value my life and my car. Did my parents make a mistake? They don't think so but that is THEIR opinion, we all have them. Don't think only teens in "fast" cars die. Google how many kids die in Civics. (google)!!!

 

[Bravnik]

When you admit to doing drugs and stupid s*** in a f150, you are going against everything else you say. If you did stupid s*** in that, what would you have done in a trans-am? The point is, not all kids are like what you and your friends might have been like. Some of us really don't care what others think or feel a need to always be proving ourselves or our cars. I don't do stupid stuff like that because I value my life and my car. Did my parents make a mistake? They don't think so but that is THEIR opinion, we all have them. Don't think only teens in "fast" cars die. Google how many kids die in Civics. (google)!!!

Dont' forget...this is basically the same type of post that kid made the night before he died.

 

[lc_MS3]

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I havn't read all of the posts on this, but I am seeing several comments about the fact that "it was such a fast car" playing a heavy factor into this accident. I just want to drop a little comment regarding that. Working in the insurance claims field, both office and field work, these types of accidents occur more often with 'average' cars than they do with "fast" cars. I'm sure the fact that it was in fact a fast car may have had an influence on the boys decision making, however, these kinds of accidents happen all of the time, and they happen in pick up trucks, suv's, old cars, new cars, motorcyles.

This specific accident is very unfortunate, if just one of so many factors were different, the kids may have survived. Had the other veh not been a hummer for instance. The hummer clearly sustained heavy sway frame damage but its' a full frame vehicle, not necessarily designed to take an impact. it does have crush zones, but not like one of another unibdy vehicle. Not saying they would've survived for sure, but definitely more of a chance.

I just don't feel the responsibility can't but put soley on the parents as they didn't make the decision to go left of center, Our MS3's are fast cars, but they're also safe. Had they been in an 89 Lebaron (like my first car when I was 16), they could've been killed in a deer crash. Clearly in this accident, 6 airbags didnt mean much but it's just a mixture of unfortunate circumstances which lead to devestating results, and it's a shame one poor decision lead to such an ending.

 

[lc_MS3]

Dont' forget...this is basically the same type of post that kid made the night before he died.

That is an a** hole thing to say. Really. (no)(smash) And it isn't.

 

[Bravnik]

Ah you might want to read the forum posts? You're not saying anything any different than he did at all. Truth is not an Asshole thing to say...it's called the truth.