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What's the IN and OUT of each one?
TMIC is much more cheaper, offer good advantage compared to the stock one. Dyno Graphs result: 20 Horsepower and 20 lb/ft Torque Gains.
and it's Easy to swap when going to the dealer.

The FMIC: Dyno runs show a 10whp gain: this is less than the FMIC???(dunno)

ETS TMIC from protegegarage:
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BEGI FMIC from protegegarage:
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I think you just answered your own question? LOL. But with the TMIC, it's harder to work in the engine bay.
 
I think you just answered your own question? LOL. But with the TMIC, it's harder to work in the engine bay.

yeah maybe LOL, but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something important? Cuz I can't see the advantage of going with the FMIC except for the reason you mentionned ;)
 
There are pros and cons to both.

With the top mount, there is less piping, therefore less restriction, therefore easier to blow air into the engine combustion chamber. However, the cons are that there is an awful lot of heat soaking into the intercooler from the hot engine, so if you are sitting in traffic, or running the car for an extended period of time, the intercooler might become less efficient. The other problem is that although the underhood ducting is cool, it doesn't have as much air moving through the intercooler as you could if you put it on the front.

The front mount has more piping, and as a result, more restriction. However it is not going to have as much of a problem with heatsoak, and is more efficient (generally speaking) than a top mount is because of how much air is flowing over it.

So which one is right for you? Front mounts are probably better if you are thinking about putting a bigger turbo in so you can overcome the restriction through brute force, and if you plan on running your car at the track for extended periods of time.

Top mounts are better if you are looking for an easy way to bump up horsepower.

Think of it this way (speaking generally here, this may not be the case with the specific intercooler products available for the speed3)

The top mount will give you better gains out of the box.
The front mount has potential to give larger gains when proper tuning and bigger turbos are used.

The top mount will give bigger gains before heat soaks into it, but after it heats up may not give you much extra power at all.
The front mount will not get as much heat soaking into it and so will continuously give you that smaller gain.


If any of my information is incorrect please let me know, but this is how I understand the system to work.
 
heat soak...but with a vented hood i dont think it will be a problem...and if you need to work on the car that seriously..just bolt off the top mount and do your thing...
 
i was thinking about something today...if there would be a way to re-route a/c vent to the intercooler somehow..t off a vent or something for a cooling solution when your not racing just pop the ac on full blast and cool it down a bit
 
i was thinking about something today...if there would be a way to re-route a/c vent to the intercooler somehow..t off a vent or something for a cooling solution when your not racing just pop the ac on full blast and cool it down a bit

The power it takes to run the ac compressor would totally diminish the effects of having a cooler intercooler. If you want to just use the ac while at a stop light or when you are waiting for your turn around the track I think it would be easier to install a spray kit.

Speaking of IC spray kits, maybe a bit off topic... how effective would it be to put a sprayer at the hood vent inlet at the front bumper? It would be a very easy location to install a homemade kit but would it be very effective at getting water through all the ducting and on to the intercooler? Would it spray water over the battery as well?
 
or you could just use a bag of ice. I wouldnt use a spray kit unless you are careful. If Co2 gets into your air filter your motor will lock up and if NOS gets into your air filter your motor will blow up
 
yea but you cant just put a bag of ice on your ic if your street racing... im gona check and see if something like i mentioned is even possible
 
or you could just use a bag of ice. I wouldnt use a spray kit unless you are careful. If Co2 gets into your air filter your motor will lock up and if NOS gets into your air filter your motor will blow up

I do use a bag of ice (cool) Not really practical for driving on the street but it works for autocross. I was just talking about using water spray for that setup. And how would any of that get into the air filter with the setup I was describing?
 
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There are pros and cons to both.

With the top mount, there is less piping, therefore less restriction, therefore easier to blow air into the engine combustion chamber. However, the cons are that there is an awful lot of heat soaking into the intercooler from the hot engine, so if you are sitting in traffic, or running the car for an extended period of time, the intercooler might become less efficient. The other problem is that although the underhood ducting is cool, it doesn't have as much air moving through the intercooler as you could if you put it on the front.

The front mount has more piping, and as a result, more restriction. However it is not going to have as much of a problem with heatsoak, and is more efficient (generally speaking) than a top mount is because of how much air is flowing over it.

So which one is right for you? Front mounts are probably better if you are thinking about putting a bigger turbo in so you can overcome the restriction through brute force, and if you plan on running your car at the track for extended periods of time.

Top mounts are better if you are looking for an easy way to bump up horsepower.

Think of it this way (speaking generally here, this may not be the case with the specific intercooler products available for the speed3)

The top mount will give you better gains out of the box.
The front mount has potential to give larger gains when proper tuning and bigger turbos are used.

The top mount will give bigger gains before heat soaks into it, but after it heats up may not give you much extra power at all.
The front mount will not get as much heat soaking into it and so will continuously give you that smaller gain.


If any of my information is incorrect please let me know, but this is how I understand the system to work.

(yes) Everything you said makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

I need to make a decision now :)
 
we are in the works of developing a liquid/air intercooler for the MS3/6 cx7 right now ! liquid/air is the most efficient intercooler available. there is also going to be an option that will allow you to circulate CO2 through the water resivior. this will allow you to reach near freezing water temps. with water that cold you can actually make your intake air temp LOWER than the outside air temp !! ohh. and it will be cheaper than a FMIC ! this project is at the very begining stage of development, so it will be a while. but it will be worth the wait for those of you that are interested.
 
dont think your average joe needs to worry about heat soak, remember were not professional drivers and this is not a race car. (puts on flame suit)
 
we are in the works of developing a liquid/air intercooler for the MS3/6 cx7 right now ! liquid/air is the most efficient intercooler available. there is also going to be an option that will allow you to circulate CO2 through the water resivior. this will allow you to reach near freezing water temps. with water that cold you can actually make your intake air temp LOWER than the outside air temp !! ohh. and it will be cheaper than a FMIC ! this project is at the very begining stage of development, so it will be a while. but it will be worth the wait for those of you that are interested.


DO you meam alcohol injection.Thats pretty hi-tech the best way of cooling,however its temporary or short spurts,not really a permanent cooling solution.
 
Liquid to air is a type of intercooler. It takes the heated air charge, and mixes it with liquid coolant. The coolant is transfered to a heat exchanger and it is cooled off by ambient air temps. Very cool set up.

GoodLuck with the intercooler testing!
 
we are in the works of developing a liquid/air intercooler for the MS3/6 cx7 right now ! liquid/air is the most efficient intercooler available. there is also going to be an option that will allow you to circulate CO2 through the water resivior. this will allow you to reach near freezing water temps. with water that cold you can actually make your intake air temp LOWER than the outside air temp !! ohh. and it will be cheaper than a FMIC ! this project is at the very begining stage of development, so it will be a while. but it will be worth the wait for those of you that are interested.


it requires changing the stock intercooler right? or is it soemthing you bolt on somehow?
 
dont think your average joe needs to worry about heat soak, remember were not professional drivers and this is not a race car. (puts on flame suit)

MS3 is a great motorsport car. You don't have to be a professional driver to participate at the drag strip or on an autocross course. For those of us who enjoy motorsports heat soak isn't the biggest issue but it is something that can use improvement. This isn't a race car but it is a tuner car. And yes, the average person doesn't have to worry about heat soak.
 
I do use a bag of ice (cool) Not really practical for driving on the street but it works for autocross. I was just talking about using water spray for that setup. And how would any of that get into the air filter with the setup I was describing?

the air filter is in the engine bay with the intercooler. Have you ever seen the NX halo ntercoolers sprayers go off. It shoots off a plume of nitrous that if your not careful will go through the intercooler fins and throughout the engine bay
 
Ahh. No, I haven't seen a nitrous intercooler spray kit but I could see how that could be a problem with the stock intake box.
 

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