Fmic And Smic Info

Titanium-99 · May 27, 2005

you will have to do some cutting with just about any FMIC you install especialy the Perrin! SMIC are great because they are fairly easy to install dont require any cutting and normaly come with niftly looking little hard pipes but they will heat soak after about 45 mins of driving which means you loose power. The stock SMIC heat soak's after about 15 mins. of driving which just blows donky nuts. Now FMIC are great because they BLING BLING they are super effeciant and normaly wont ever heat soak due to there location on your car, so you can run all day and not loose power. They are a b**** to install almost always require some cutting or modding of the area behinde your bumper and routing piping is just never fun in tight spaces. I suggest you go with your gut and get what you like and take all this information they way you want. HP gains on a SMIC and FMIC are about the same one is just a little more effeciant than the other.

ChopstickHero · May 27, 2005

^^^
good reply.

I am planning on going turbohoses SMIC in a few months. i have the hardpipes sitting in my room right now, waiting for the install. Reason why i'm going this route: car can be returned to normal b/c i don't have to cut anything, alot easier install, about the same gains, improvement over stock bad smic, having good daily driveability is very important to me, and the stealth look... hehe...

Titanium-99 · May 31, 2005

If you are getting a SMIC then I suggest that you go to http://protegegarage.com/ and purchase a Cryo2 SMIC chiller it will help emensly with heat soak on that particular set up.

Tito1 · May 31, 2005

Titanium-99 said:
If you are getting a SMIC then I suggest that you go to www.protegegagrage.com and purchase a Cryo2 SMIC chiller it will help emensly with heat soak on that particular set up.

Link no worky

Ti99-thanks for he explanation. I'll likely go for a SMIC due to ease of installation and stealth factor. Although the bling is sweet.

Are there any other SMIC's for the MSP besides Turbohoses and Custom MSP's? I need to take another look at Custom MSP's (if there are any more). I think all fitment issues (if we want to call them that) have been worked out. I know function wasn't being compromised so maybe no changes were made to that design.

Could I just buy a intercooler of that size, and hardpipe up to that??

Dr.Sound · May 31, 2005

Titanium-99 said:
.............SMIC...........will heat soak after about 45 mins of driving which means you loose power.

not true,
Turbo Hoses SMIC and CustomMSP SMIC do not heatsoak if u run boost 9 and below.

Titanium-99 said:
Now FMIC are great because they BLING BLING they are super effeciant and normaly wont ever heat soak due to there location on your car, so you can run all day and not loose power.

not true again.
FMIC require more volume for the turbo to fill (especially our t25).
longer spoolup, less bottom end power.
unless u up the boost after installing FMIC u will loose power.

at 9 psi SMIC feel better than FMIC.
car has power throughout the RPM band.
now at 14 psi that's another story.

Tito1 · May 31, 2005

Uh oh, here's some conflict. I think we can all agree about the 'bling' factor.

But simply for performance if not boosting over 10psi it seems smic is the way to go.

"Turbo-hoses, Why so Expensive?"

ChopstickHero · May 31, 2005

Tito1 said:
Uh oh, here's some conflict. I think we can all agree about the 'bling' factor.

But simply for performance if not boosting over 10psi it seems smic is the way to go.

"Turbo-hoses, Why so Expensive?"

yeah, expensive stuff, but it's quality stuff. turbohoses hardpipes are nice quality, silicone connectors and clamps are top quality too. haven't ordered the smic, but i will soon and i'm sure it's top notch.

Tito1 · Sep 13, 2005

We will need to add Corksports FMIC once it is released. And check out the preorder special price....FMIC basically for the price of Turbohoses SMIC.

Corksport seems to make quality products as well. The only real disadvantage to the Corksport unit is that it will require some cutting. Oh well, but bump for a great price.

MyOrangeToy · Oct 5, 2005

you guys sure about the price for the ION FMIC? On their website its still 1300US

Notorious_V.I.C · Oct 29, 2005

Yea, I was browsing and also saw, Wagner Motorsports FMIC, might want to add that when you add the corksport FMIC

MoJoeTCM · Dec 7, 2005

just curious...someone settle the debate for me....if you plan to keep stock boost with a smic and 3 inch turbo back will this be a good stock set up? I just bought the custom smic and perrin exhaust...the only mods from here will be dsm and intake mani.....any advice? I just want a good solid 190-200 whp....

FSDET · Dec 7, 2005

yup the SMIC is perfect for that.. well other then the fact that FMICs look sexy

Notorious_V.I.C · Dec 8, 2005

When's CorkSport's FMIC being released?
I want to compare it to my one and only FMIC of Choice right now
BEGi FMIC before I buy it.

540James · Dec 30, 2005

Titanium-99 said:
If you are getting a SMIC then I suggest that you go to http://protegegarage.com/ and purchase a Cryo2 SMIC chiller it will help emensly with heat soak on that particular set up.

Okay, after extensive searching of the site, I must know of this Cryo2 SMIC chiller that you speak of. I can't find it...

PlatinumMSP · May 15, 2006

theres a couple things that are very important and havnt been mentioned:

1. Which FMIC/SMIC produces the most power rank in order
2. Which FMIC/SMIC cools down the air the most, rank in order
3. Dyno graphs of the before and after effects
4. Does size of the intercooler really make a difference besides looks?

onequickmsp · May 16, 2006

Well, I don't know if this will help you but I have the CustomMSP SMIC installed on my car and it's helped out greatly. I found it to be a great buy. If I had to buy a FMIC, I would go with the MAM FMIC or the Hiboost FMIC. From what I understand, both those FMIC's are a great kit for your money. If you want a reliable name, then go with the Perrin FMIC. It all comes down to what, do you want to do to your car. Internals changed = FMIC, Basic bolt-ons = SMIC It's all up to you. Just my $0.02

slowmotionmsp · Jun 1, 2006

Perrin INTERCOOLER

Hi, can anyone help me understand a concern i have about the perrin intercooler, please? i was told that the support beams that help make the car's bumper stronger in case of an accident has to be removed and cannot be reused when installing the perrin intercooler. Perrin provides a their own support beam, but, this isn't going to be as strong as the OEM support beam as it has not been tested like the OEM has.

My question is, many people say that Perrin is the best quality intercooler to go with, but should i be concerned about the safety issue about not having the OEM support beams for the bumper?

If so, what is the next option for a FMIC that works well and covers the safety issue as well? by the way, i don't race my car, just like to have the car breath comfortable so i can enjoy the little extra for the daily driving.

Anyone, let me know, please! thanks!!

FSDET said:
Front Mount InterCoolers

Mental Addiction Motorsports:
Price:$1295(shipped) at www.**************************.com
Core Size:24"x6"x3.5"
Piping Material: Powdercoated(Black or Silver) Mild Steel
Additional Info: Comes with Short Ram Intake, one 9"and one 12" Spal Electrical Fan Boost Science BPV(HKS SSQV Upgrade for $200). No Cutting Involved, Allows You To Upgrade The Radiator To OEM P5, PWR, AWR.

Perrin:
Price:$1330(shipped) at www.**********.com
Core Size:28"x9.25"x3.5"
Piping Material:Aluminum
Additional Info:Uses the stock BPV,can be order with HKS and Greddy BOV flanges for additional cost.Requires cutting and replaces the stock bumper beam.Allows you to upgrade the radiator to OEM p5,PWR,AWR radiators.

HiBoost:
Price:$900 :www.spdracing.com www.protegegarage.com
Core Size:22"x6.5"x 2.5"
Piping Material:Chrome Plated Mild Steel
Additional Info:Comes with HKS(old school) BOV,can be ordered with Greddy BOV,HKS ssqv BOV. No cutting required.Cant Upgrade Radiator.

iON:
Price:$925(plus Shipping):www.ionperformance.com
Core Size:24"x6"x3.5"
Piping Material:Stainless Steel
Additional Info:Uses the stock BPV,Requires cutting .Allows you to upgrade the radiator to OEM p5,PWR,AWR radiators.

B.E.G.I:
Price:$699shipped(special discount till Thanksgiving)$749shipped after that. :www.protegegarage.com
Core Size:18"x6 1/8"x3"
Piping Material:Mild Steel.
Additional Info:Can be ordered with Greddy BOV,HKS ssqv BOV. No cutting required.Cant Upgrade Radiator.

Pann Auto:
Price:$855(plus shipping) at www.pannauto.com
Core Size:24"x6"x3"
Piping Material:Aluminum
Additional Info:Uses the stock BPV,can be ordered with HKS and Greddy BOV flanges for additional cost.Requires minimal cutting. Your choice of unfinished or black powercoated piping.

Side Mount Intercoolers

Circuit Sport:

Price:$650 retail,forum and GB discounts may apply
Contact: SpicyMSP@hotmail.com or SpicyMSP
Additional Info: Direct Bolt On, can be used with stock plastic or aftermarket hardpipes(as long as the hardpipes fit the stock SMIC)

TurboHoses:
Price:$ www.**********.com
Additional Info: Direct Bolt On, can be used with stock plastic or aftermarket hardpipes(as long as the hardpipes fit the stock SMIC)

CustomMSP's:
Price:$ CustomMSP
Additional Info: Direct Bolt On, can be used with stock plastic or aftermarket hardpipes(as long as the hardpipes fit the stock SMIC)

I Chose The Mental Addiction Motorsports FMIC. Good Price, Good Customer Service, No Cutting required,Direct Pipe Routing.

PM if u have anything u want to add.
and everyone who has one of these kits plz tell me what u think.

PlatinumMSP · Jul 8, 2006

dude your over the safety issue, you'll be driving with an extra bumper (your fmic) haha

Dr.Sound · Jul 9, 2006

slowmotionmsp said:
......i don't race my car, just like to have the car breath comfortable so i can enjoy the little extra for the daily driving.

in that case SMIC will suit you just fine.
if all u do is daily driving without pushing a lot of power then SMIC is the best choice.
support beam is untouched, and you dont loose spoolup time

mazdaspeedwerx · Jul 28, 2006

I am going to buy a fmic soon and it's between mam's perrin and highboost. it seems that perrng has the largest core, but for some reason I think I remember reading somwhere that a larger core can hurt the performance. I know it's not that much larger but just want to know. I am also planning on running a larger turbo set up for my msp also. maybe a t-28 rs

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