Florida's 25 Foot Rule....?!?!

SpicyMchaggis said:
what exhaust law? i'm running header-back cat-less with the MSP muffler..pretty quiet..

Thats what I am saying, it's legal to straight pipe supposedly, but i cant have an axle back exhaust even with the factory cats and resonator? Honestly my exhaust is not loud. It is a beautiful deep rumble, but it is not louder than a Nissan 350Z, it is not louder than any of the newer Infinity models, and it definately is the most tame exhaust system I have heard around here. I mean my engine, all stock, is louder than my exhaust. And this is from inside and outside the car.
 
Aaahhh, nothing makes you feel happier to pay your taxes then inconsistent law enforcement. I wish they'd treat some of these adult children on motorcycles who wake the dead at 3 am because they didn't get enough attention at a kid with the same hatred they seem to have for younger kids in cars no louder than anyone else's! I also love the fact you're now guilty until proven innocent -- you used to be able to not pay and contest tickets and subpoena officers to court and have them prove you're guilty, now you must pay first then fight it and officers can give affidavids outside of court for misdemeanor traffic violations, never letting you face your accuser in court. Thanks Jeb!

Selective enforcement ROCKS!
 
contest it in court

Just go contest it in court. The officer won't show up for something like that. If he was that far away, for $40 you can get a sound meter from Radio Shack and take a measurement from where he claims to have heard your radio. Easy enough to debunk. You can also get a reading and also a tape recording of a harley going by at 25 foot distance and play that for the judge, for comparison. Your radio is stock (easy to prove) and so is the Harley exhaust. Ask the judge which one is louder at 25 feet.
 
Laws like this one are ridiculous. They're meant to do one thing and one thing only- generate revenue for the town/county/state. In Charleston SC if you're right next to the car and can hear the radio it's a fine. It's ridiculous. PC has taken over the US and is turning us into sissies. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to do normal stuff in the privacy of our own homes. (dark) *end of rant*

On another note, I'm happy to hear that someone else thinks the PR5 A/C stinks. It takes like 15 minutes for my car to cool down on a mildly hot day. Good to hear it's not just me. (rei)
 
here a few yrs ago, they tried to pass a law that said:
1st offense - $150
2nd - $300
3rd - $500
4th - $500 and they take your stereo stuff becasuse of puplic nuisance.

I s*** you not. They passed it all 'cept the 4th offense.
 
RaiderMP5 said:
I did not vote for his stupid ass.

I am not a very politically involved person. After this incident you better believe I am voting for the most liberal ass hole out there and I am gonna parade in front of Police Officer's houses with big signs so they know I dont support them and their "Get-Rich-Quick scheme". If I had a dollar for everytime I have seen someone run a red light down here, I could BUY the police department. But where are they on that one? Not to mention I have seen someone blatantly run a red light with a cop sitting on the other side of the road and he did nothing. I mean the dude almost nailed three cars and horns were all over the place. Yet I can get pulled over for enjoying music? Last I checked no one died from loud music. Maybe lost an ear drum or two, but thats their own damn fault.
 
trbomp5 said:
here a few yrs ago, they tried to pass a law that said:
1st offense - $150
2nd - $300
3rd - $500
4th - $500 and they take your stereo stuff becasuse of puplic nuisance.

I s*** you not. They passed it all 'cept the 4th offense.

louisiana
1st offense - $100
2nd - $200
3rd - $500 lincense suspended for 30 days
4th - $500 lincense suspended for 90 days

dunno if it is passed YET, but it is in final stages of bieng past, that is the reason i took my stereo out...
 
This is a general statement and not aimed at any specific person...

Driving is a priveledge, not a right. If you can't understand this, you should have your license taken away from you.


As car tuners, yeah, it seems that the world is against us. But that's the price we must pay for choosing to modify our vehicles. If I get pulled over for a loud stereo, odds are, it's because my stereo is turned up. I chose to not follow the rule and will have to pay the price of my negligence. No sense complaining about it when it's my own fault I couldn't follow a simple enough rule.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think it's ridiculous the amount people complain about law enforcement officers without having the slightest knowledge of how the system works.
 
Scott said:
This is a general statement and not aimed at any specific person...

Driving is a priveledge, not a right. If you can't understand this, you should have your license taken away from you.


As car tuners, yeah, it seems that the world is against us. But that's the price we must pay for choosing to modify our vehicles. If I get pulled over for a loud stereo, odds are, it's because my stereo is turned up. I chose to not follow the rule and will have to pay the price of my negligence. No sense complaining about it when it's my own fault I couldn't follow a simple enough rule.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think it's ridiculous the amount people complain about law enforcement officers without having the slightest knowledge of how the system works.

so so true, try and live in a world with no cops.. they will be beggin for them back...
 
shaneMazda2000P said:
so so true, try and live in a world with no cops.. they will be beggin for them back...
Shane just using the quote you used from somebody.

I guess than they should not sell Ford Shelby gt mustangs, Corvettes z06, Dodge Vipers, Laborginis, Ferriaris, Ford Gt40, Also Mercury Marauders which State troopers have. These cars are fractories but have aftermarket exhaust on them. Cops need to worry who is insured and who is illegal where the child perverts are. Look for Drugs. Tuning cars been around since cars have been built. If people do not like that than they need to find an island or bury their head in the sand. With my exhaust and performance parts I burn more gas and I use 93 oct. which has gone up in price. Therefore I am helping the econmy buying parts and over price gas.
 
Glowspeedp5 said:
Shane just using the quote you used from somebody.

I guess than they should not sell Ford Shelby gt mustangs, Corvettes z06, Dodge Vipers, Laborginis, Ferriaris, Ford Gt40, Also Mercury Marauders which State troopers have. These cars are fractories but have aftermarket exhaust on them. Cops need to worry who is insured and who is illegal where the child perverts are. Look for Drugs. Tuning cars been around since cars have been built. If people do not like that than they need to find an island or bury their head in the sand. With my exhaust and performance parts I burn more gas and I use 93 oct. which has gone up in price. Therefore I am helping the econmy buying parts and over price gas.

who did i use it from...
 
Scott said:
This is a general statement and not aimed at any specific person...

Driving is a priveledge, not a right. If you can't understand this, you should have your license taken away from you.


As car tuners, yeah, it seems that the world is against us. But that's the price we must pay for choosing to modify our vehicles. If I get pulled over for a loud stereo, odds are, it's because my stereo is turned up. I chose to not follow the rule and will have to pay the price of my negligence. No sense complaining about it when it's my own fault I couldn't follow a simple enough rule.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think it's ridiculous the amount people complain about law enforcement officers without having the slightest knowledge of how the system works.


I am not denying the fact that my stereo was on. I am not denying the fact that yes it was turned up about 3/4 of the full volume of the factory radio. I am not denying that the fact that my windows were down makes the sound travel further.

But yes I am complaining, and whining, and throwing a fit, and pouting and whatever other "::insert adjective here::" that you choose to use. But I am not complaining about the fact that there is a law about it. I am complaining about the fact that it is such a restrictive law to a point almost where no matter what way you face you are pissing in the wind.

The FACTORY exhaust in an Infinity G35 or Nissan 350Z is louder than my exhaust. Yet I am in the wrong because I ordered mine from somewhere other than the dealer. And yes my radio was loud. But 25 feet? Are you kidding? The law could easily be just a beneficial if it was 100 feet. Or 100 yards. Now obviously blasting your radio in a residential area at 2 in the morning is very dick. But to be enjoying my music on a leisurely cruise home on a road that has 6 lanes and thousands of cars pass over it every day in which there is not a single house located even remotely NEAR me, nor a business that could hear my factory speakers let alone be bothered by the sound coming from them?

This law is not about 'common courtesy' to other drivers. This law is about conservative politicians and bitter people. I can place 20$ down, that every single person on the road that complains about one thing or another, does AT LEAST 1 or 2 things that annoys other people as well. Personally I cant stand when people are blabbing away on their cell phones, because they dont pay attention and I have actually been a witness TWICE because someone was blabbing on their cell phone and either clipped someone changing lanes without looking because they couldnt turn their head that way without disturbing their 'oh so important gossip fest', or rear ended someone because it was more important to listen to their phone call than worry about the safety of themselves, or others around them while they drive more or less wrecklessly so they can be on the phone.

I am not saying I personally have never answered a phone call while driving. That is what an ear piece is for. I also choose to limit my phone calls to VERY brief intervals, and if I cant I pull over somewhere and park and finish the conversation then go back on my way.

There is no such thing as common courtesy on the road anymore. Everyone has their own selfish intent in mind. They speed so they can get home so they dont miss the game thats on TV. They run stop lights so that they can not have to sit for 2 more minutes on the road. They cut people off because they dont feel like they should have to wait in a longer line of traffic.

I listen to my music loud because it keeps me calm. It keeps me from hating every single selfish ass thats out on the road. It also keeps my mind off the fact that if someone were to run into me, they would care more about the time they are losing from their all important day than the well being of the person they just ran into.

You want to pass laws. Fine. But pass them on the areas that they need to be passed on. Laws of road rage are weak. Laws on accidents are weak. But they have time to pass obscene laws of music volumes?

Why does this seem more like a quick money scheme than an actual intent to provide a more "ENJOYABLE" driving experience.

So say what you will. My music was loud. But at 25 feet it could have also still been illegal even with my music turned down. So does that mean I should have to drive with my radio off because some bitter people dont like the noise? Well if I chose to be bitter as well you would not be allowed to smoke while driving, talk on your cell phone while driving, eat while driving, play with your makeup while driving, talk to other passengers while driving, or hell for s**** and giggles - fart while driving.

Making laws is a privelage, not a right. When you make and enforce pointless laws before you enforce the serious things that NEED to be enforced...you make yourself and the entire justice system look like a bunch of greedy asses.

But to each his own right?
 
Just tonight I was listening to Velvet Revolver sittin at a light when a cop pulls up next to me. I've got my windows down, he backs up a little so we're even and rolls down his window and says "Good album, I've got it in my CD player" :D
 
You removed your stereo because you are mentally unable to listen to anything unless it is turned up to an extremely high level? Good move. That'll teach those awful lawmakers a lesson.

I don't know why all the whinning. There isn't any free will involved here folks.The laws are for balance, for everyone. Individual cops can find the grey area in any law and use it to harrass or support their own ideas. If someone thinks that happened, go fight it in court. That's why we have the court system in this country. Otherwise the radio probably was to loud. I personnally hate people that have it turned up to 11. Typically immature boys (but not always) that want to show everyone how much the spent on stereo gear, or they think everyone enjoys their type of music and they want to share it with the world, or often just because they want to disturb others. If I'm in traffic with my windows down and I suddenly can't hear my own radio or conversation because some jackass just pulled up and is puking his music out his windows, I want to beat them with a spiked bat. Or at least destroy their stereo. But unfortuneately there are laws against that- but hey, I don't hear anyone complaining about that law! Just everyone grow up, listen to your own favorite music at a reasonable level without bothering everyone passing by, and society can move on.

The voice of reason has spoken. This thread can now come to an end.

shaneMazda2000P said:
louisiana
1st offense - $100
2nd - $200
3rd - $500 lincense suspended for 30 days
4th - $500 lincense suspended for 90 days

dunno if it is passed YET, but it is in final stages of bieng past, that is the reason i took my stereo out...
 
I have been pulled over for this here in Ohio but got a warning...

This leaves allot to general opinion:
"No person shall play any radio, music player or audio system in a motor vehicle at such volume as to disturb the quiet, comfort or repose of other persons or at a volume which is plainly audible to persons other than the occupants of said vehicle."

683.99 Penalty

(a) Whoever violates any of the provisions of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon a first offense, shall be fined seventy-five dollars ($75.00), which fine shall not be suspended, waived or otherwise reduced below that amount. In addition, the equipment or device used in the commission of a violation of Section 683.01 or 683.02 is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized and disposed of in accordance with RC 2933.43.

(b) In addition to any other method of enforcement provided for in this chapter, upon a first offense Section 683.01 may be enforced by the issuance of a citation in compliance with Rule 4.1 of the Ohio Rules of Criminal Procedure, and Section 683.02 may be enforced by the issuance of an Ohio Uniform Traffic Ticket in compliance with the "Ohio Traffic Rules" promulgated by the Ohio Supreme Court pursuant to RC 2935.17 and 2937.46.

(c) whoever violates Section 683.01 or 683.02 within thirty-six (36) hours of having been charged with a first offense thereof or within thirty-six (36) hours of having been warned by a police officer to desist from violating one of those sections shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree.

(d) Whoever violates any provision of this chapter other than Section 683.01 or 683.02 shall, upon any subsequent offense, be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($ 100.00) and not more than five hundred dollars ($500.00).

(e) Each day upon which a violation occurs or continues shall be a separate offense and punishable as such hereunder. (Ord. No. 1023-91. Passed 5-11-92, eff 5-15-92)

It's sucks, but they made these laws b/c people complained (and complained.. and complained.. etc) about those few who are morons and listen to their stereos at excessive volumes. Just be polite.
 
yea this law sux, although ive never heard of being ticketed for an exhaust in florida and ive been everywhere no one has ever said s*** to me and my 240 was loud as ****
 
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