Flat Panel/Plasma TV's

What doyou guys think of this tv? Sharp Aquos LC-46D43U I purchased it on Black Friday for iether 899 or 999. I forget how much before 3 year warrenty.
 
i highly recommend a 1080p LCD with a DVI connection to hook up a media center PC...then you can surf the net from your couch and watch h.264 encoded movies from anywhere on your home network! :D
 
1080p = 1920x1080 resolution
1080i = 1268x1080 up to 1920x1080
720p = as low as 1024x720 and up to 1366x768
Don't go any lower!
i = interlaced
p = progressive

1080i is not necessarily better than 720p. 1080 has more lines but 720p can progressive scan so it makes it better for movement, i.e. games...and well everything really. lol

I looked long and hard for an HDTV. I was going to spend my whole bankrole on a nice plasma. Plasma is such an awesome picture. Plasmas do have issues with glare which is why a lot of gamers go with LCD. But if you can make the light just right in your room go with a plasma.
But I came to the conclusion that pciture is only half. Sound really helps make the experience for HD movies and games. But I still would not get anything less than a 1080p. I went with a Vizio 42" 1080p LCD. It is amazing! Vizio is a little lower on the contrast ratio than some other high end LCDs and far lower than plasmas but it really is a great picture and for the price it is hard to beat. Now I have the money for a nice surround sound system....which is another (larger) bag of worms.

Anyway, stick with brands that are trusted. My sister got a magnavox and it lasted a year. Check consumer reports. And read reviews on cnet.

Good luck!
 
I got a 42" 1080i with 10,000:1 contrast ratio refurbished Phillips from Frys.com reg. price $2499 for $799. The only ones I could find close to that price $900-1000 720p with 1,000:1 contrast ratio were total crap in comparison. I was hesitant about a refurbed one but there was no comparison to the picture and features mine has.
 
i highly recommend a 1080p LCD with a DVI connection to hook up a media center PC...then you can surf the net from your couch and watch h.264 encoded movies from anywhere on your home network! :D

You can do this with most any HDTV as they should atleast have an HDMI connection now. This is assuming your video card outputs DVI or HDMI and is compadible with HDCP.
 
Go with 1080p...its full HD, and lets be realistic, if your gonna drop cash on a TV, you may as well try to get the latest. You can get a reasonably priced 1080p these days. This is because of the 60hz speed. The newer models are now 120hz so theres less ghosting on moving objects (sports tickers, games etc etc)

I just bought a 46 inch 1080p and got it for a reasonable price, only mind isnt 120hz.

Stay away from any of the "i" models. Your only saving a couple hundred bucks.

I recommend Samsung, LG or Sharp (Sony apparently contracts their production or screens or something to Samsung, so as it was put to me, "Your paying more for a "Samsung" if your thinking about buying a Sony")
 
For LCD look at Sony/Samsung
For Plasma look to panasonic or pioneer
Westinghouse, visio, olivia are COMPLETE Piece of s***.
I highly reccomend doing research on the AVS forums for this stuff.



It depends on what you want from a TV. If you are into AV systems as much as you are into your car then you will only look into the best.

Comparing car shopping and tv shopping:
Samsung or sony = MS3/MS6
Panasonic/ Pioneer = RX8/MSM
Westinghouse/Vivzio = Regular Mazda 6/ Mazda 3

Excluding the reliability factors for the cars (especially the MS6 and RX8), it depends what you want. I don't think anyone would say that the regular mazda 6 or 3 are bad cars, just not as good as MS3/RX8. If you are not looking to have the best performance, but instead save some money and get a perfectly good family car or commuting car, then you get the lower models. Hope this analogy makes sense (dunno) .

I know AV fans might feel offended on this subject, but to regular people its not the end of the world. There are good/decent buys to be made from the cheaper company's. In the end, do you want to pay 2x or 3x the amount for a TV that looks almost identical to the cheaper solution from 4 feet away.

One more thing, looking at TV's at the stores (BB or CC for example) isn't always the best thing. BB and CC have been known for changing the settings on tv (brightness, color, etc) to make it seem that the higher priced tv's look alot better then the lower priced, for the obvious reason. AVS forum and customer reviews are good places to find good information, but remember that people that dedicate there lives to one thing (car/tv's) will be much more picky on there subject.
 
It depends on what you want from a TV. If you are into AV systems as much as you are into your car then you will only look into the best.

Comparing car shopping and tv shopping:
Samsung or sony = MS3/MS6
Panasonic/ Pioneer = RX8/MSM
Westinghouse/Vivzio = Regular Mazda 6/ Mazda 3

Excluding the reliability factors for the cars (especially the MS6 and RX8), it depends what you want. I don't think anyone would say that the regular mazda 6 or 3 are bad cars, just not as good as MS3/RX8. If you are not looking to have the best performance, but instead save some money and get a perfectly good family car or commuting car, then you get the lower models. Hope this analogy makes sense (dunno) .

I have to disagree and being an audio visual designer, I know these analogies are highly flawed.
You are stating things as if sony is just a sportier model when in fact the difference would be much better stated as a Chevy Cobalt Vs a F-350 super duty. Sticking the same brand lines a Sony XBR5 is a Corvette and a Visio is a the Aveo.
In this regard it comes down to processing. One is ment for heavy lifting and one is not. You also have the actual technology being used to cosider. Plasma is a 42"-65" display, they only go large with alot more money spent. LCD flat panel is a 1"-46" display. They are creaping up there but they are usualy a crappier set. We see this alot in that they either have no HD analog inputs or they do not even accept anything over 1024x768 on those inputs. DLP is only a projection format and mostly beaten to dead as TI will not sell the 3 chips for what they are actualy worth. Even Sony models have some very well known visual issues you can read about on AVS that EVERYONE will notice if they happen.

They are intended for drasticly different things. Dending on the models, some sets are ment to be a do anything, and look great sets. Others are just ment to get a picture on the screen for the least amount of money posible. It certainly depends on appliciation and going forward from here, there is little point in buying 720p anything as you are just buying the dead. Might as well just wait 1 year and they will all be gone anyways.

You have to also consider what HDMI format is the set?
Does it accept 1080P on the analog inputs like component?
Will it work with HDCP as a pass through?



It is very common that when viewing HDTV, the cheaper sets look worse then do the perfectly functioning TVs they are replacing. Anyone will see the difference between a visio and any sony model especialy once setup. Also BB and CC do ALOT more then play with the settings. They actualy have entire line changes done at the factory levels to alter the displays to look good under florecent lights. So that once you get them home, they look like crap.
 
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I respect your comments 1sty, and agree with you for the most part. You obviously know what you are talking about, and know more then me on this subject ;). The analogys should probably go more like ferrari vs bmw vs dodge. If I had the money, I would defiantly get a sony or samsung. But being a college student, I opted for the best I could find with the lowest price, and ended up with the westinghouse. The sony from crutchfield you linked looks like a great deal, with included surround sound.
 
Mr. 4500 RPM:

Are you still looking for a flat panel?

Here's what I've found in my research and my experience in selling them for a living in the past:

Right now, as we speak, LCD is the king. This is a blanket statement that seems to not be challenged, at least at the moment. For 40"-46", an LCD will serve your needs best, IMO. Once you get bigger then that, an LCD starts to lose its edge in both price and performance.

Not just any LCD, BTW. At this size, you'll want a 1080P version, which stands for Progressive. This means that at any time, 1080 lines of picture (or close to it) will be visible on the screen. An LCD is a non-scanning type of television. See, the old Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) TV's and their projection variants were scanning type, and thus were known as Interlaced designs. That means they produced pictures in 1/60th's of a second, jumping from the odd lines (1,3,5, etc.) to even lines (2,4,6, etc.) and back and forth very quickly, at the same speed as our power lines produce AC power (60hz, approx.) They did this for obsolete reasons today, since today's panels can continuously display an image on each pixel, so Progressive is the way to go today.

The reason you'll want a 1080P vs. a 720P version at this size (40"+) is for the gaming you'll be doing, and for the fact that this won't be a small TV. Simply put, if you take a certain size of TV, and see it in 720 pixel line variant vs. 1080 pixel line variant, you'll see a big difference in the size of the pixels. This closer arrangement of pixels within the 1080P gives you more fidelity and detail with programs (like the PS3, Xbox 360) that can produce it. Regular programs look good too because the processor within the TV and/or the TV's signal producer (like a DVD or Sat. Box) will upscale a lesser image to the TV's native (or natural pixel arrangement) state. In this case, More is Usually Better, provided the price is right.

The other things to look for besides pixel count (1080P being the king right now) is contrast, black level detail, refresh rate, and color accuracy, amongst many other things. This is merely my opinion, but typically the downfall of most LCD's is that they refresh their picture slowly, so things look blurred at faster rates of speed (like video games or action movies), and the dark detail is also a problem. Contrast and dark detail faults (which plague most of the cheaper brands!) make dark, scary parts of a movie, or subtle details of a video game look flat, lifeless, and weak. Essentially the tiny things that make a shadow look like a shadow instead of a TV just being turned off are missing, and that can kill the experience of watching movies like this. To fight this issue, when shopping for an LCD pay attention to the contrast level (but avoid inflated, fake values) and look at the detail during a presentation at the store. If the darks just kinda fade into nothingness, then look elsewhere. But if you can make out detail within dark features, keep looking.

The next thing to work out is how the contrast levels and color detail make color look. Is it Real looking? Or do you have a sense of watching cartoon colors even while watching a movie, or while watching a news broadcast? Color is tough for an LCD, so finding the right one is tough as well.

Now, Here's what I'd shop for if I were in your shoes (and I recently was!)...

There is a 46" Mitsubishi LCD that is rare, yet special as hell. If you can get one, you'll probably be very pleased. I forget the model number at the moment, but it was a STEAL at Circuit city. I don't condone shopping at the CC (used to work there back in the younger days), but it was a deal worth buying (I think it was a $1100 when the TV costs realistically $2500.)

Another heavy hitter is the magic Samsung brand line. A 46" will run a bit more then some brands, but they have figured out how to get contrast just right, as well as get the color detail near perfect. Not everybody loves them, but I do. In my opinion, Sony can't even compare with today's Samsungs. That is saying something.

With those two options, you should be quite happy with your results.

My last suggestion is for you to make sure you have set aside (or may already have invested in) a nice sound system complimentary to the TV you have in mind. The audio matters more then the picture, in most cases, and these new TV's simply can't compete with a quality system. If you need guidance on audio, just ask!
 
...And read reviews on cnet.

FINALLY!! Some good advice.

You can listen to what average people have to say... in fact, it's usually a good idea. But realize this. Unlike professionals who get paid to review products, we consumers are doing the exact opposite. We're shelling out a pretty large chunk of dough for something we hope to god we won't regret getting. For this reason, unless something awful happens, we're more than likely going to exaggerate how great it is and "highly recommend" it to others. You see this ALL the time. I recently purchased new tires. Like most people, I used tirerack as my primary resource. Since tires aren't reviewed nearly as often as electronics, it's not as likely that you'll find a trusted source to provide you with the information you need regarding tires. That's why I had to resort to what the average consumer had to say. What I found was that, by-in-large, most people raved about their tires and "highly recommended" others purchase them as well. At first, I thought all of the tires I was looking at were nearly perfect... why else would everyone speak so highly? Then the pattern developed and I came to my senses. After (finally) finding some credible reviews, (reviews that certainly separated the aforementioned tires by a wide degree) I realized that most people a) don't really know what they're talking about (at least compared to an expert that utilizes sophisticated devices and methods) and b) will do their best to convince themselves (and others) that they made the right purchase... and that THEIR choice was/is superior to others.

Does that mean you can't take into consideration what everyone has to say? What it really means is that you need to look between the lines... It's usually pretty easy to separate the types that know their s***. But even they can't compare to professionals. So put THEM to work and base your decision (primarily) on what they have to say.


On a sidenote... While many big box stores are carrying last year's model, you'll definitely find a good selection of the "latest greatest". Moreover, while there deals to be had online... once you factor in the cost of shipping (not to mention the fact that you'd be missing out on a pretty sweet promo... up to 2 years 0% for example) and suddenly those deals aren't quite as sweet.

Someone already mentioned this but it bears repeating... Unless you're planning on mounting it on a wall, you're better off going with a RP DLP. They are easily the best value out there and offer arguably the best picture. Even if you're not going to kitty corner the TV, it still makes sense... since the average stand is far wider than the depth of a typical DLP.

As far as the whole 1080i/p debate goes... Since very few (if any) broadcasts are actually delivered in P, you're obviously not taking full advantage of its capabilities while watching network TV. I'm pretty sure ESPN is broadcast in 720p so, even if you only have a 1080 (which is capable of 720p) at this very moment... you're fine. as far as movies go... BR's are in P but I believe HD-DVDs are not. It's probably irrelevant since most 1080's are P these days... a year ago, however, those cost an extra few hundred so the fact that one might have been pissing that money away is up for debate.

I recently researched the hell out of TVs for my brother-in-law. He's a huge sports guy and barely ever watches movies and can care less about regular tv. He wanted the biggest (high quality) tv he could get for the least amount of $ He was able to pickup this Samsung 720p DLP for $800 the week after Thanksgiving. (not sure why it's more expensive now but I'm sure, if push came to shove, you could get it for the same.)

Even at the price they have it at, it's a pretty sweet deal. For comparison sake, the 1080p version is $1500

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8247916&type=product&id=1169252413347
 
I respect your comments 1sty, and agree with you for the most part. You obviously know what you are talking about, and know more then me on this subject ;). The analogys should probably go more like ferrari vs bmw vs dodge. If I had the money, I would defiantly get a sony or samsung. But being a college student, I opted for the best I could find with the lowest price, and ended up with the westinghouse. The sony from crutchfield you linked looks like a great deal, with included surround sound.


The analogy (and its an irratent as I have to deal with it daily) has 3 major problems:
1. Reliability, in electronics, nothing is all that reliable when it comes to packing this much heat into a small area. Some are better then others but its not that far off to see as many sonys fail or develope issues compared to Visio. Luckily, many problems are just DOAs from anyone.
2. there is long list of features and processes that screen either support or do not and no store or website really compares these.
3. There is no real luxury brand that is just useless or fickle stuff like you would find in a BMW vs say a well equipped accord.

For these reasons I go with the F250 vs cobalt. Neither have the best reliability reputation, nor the worst and they are for entirely different demands. If you want to tow a boat, you are screwed with the cobalt, it just is not going to happen. Where as if all you need is basic transportation for a single person the F250 is a dumb choice.

I tend to go away from the visio level product as they have failed on me more, have worse support, poor documentation, and most importantly look to sell product on illusions or mis-information. Every company does this with marketing to a degree but some look to educate and innovate alot more then others.
 
Chico, just a couple of items.
1. 720 will look every bit as good as 1080p depending on distance as there is only so much of an angle the human eye can preceive, I believe this is 3 arc minutes(3/60th of a degree) but I would have to check on that. So if over a certian distance, 1080P is largly pointless, over a larger distance, so is 720.
2. 1080p does not equal 1080p. You have to look at the connectivity, example being HDMI formats, which 1.3 is the thing to have.
3. There is alot more then DLP projection TVs to consider. LCDs are simply better in several ways and get just as big for just as short money. The Sony SXRDs, a molested LCD technology, are incredible.
 
3. There is alot more then DLP projection TVs to consider. LCDs are simply better in several ways and get just as big for just as short money. The Sony SXRDs, a molested LCD technology, are incredible.

See... Without even realizing it, I was doing exactly what I described! lol I bought a DLP and so should you! It's the mirrors damnit!!
 
Whee! gotta love the war of perception going on here...

Just like how I come here for info and banter about Mazda vehicles, I go to The Home Theater Forum for info and banter about AV subjects...

Just to get my preferences out of the way, as far as picture quality is concerned: CRT>DLP>plasma>LCD
Price: LCD>CRT>plasma>DLP

Every display technology is going to have it's selling points and drawbacks...
CRT: the most precise picture you can get with a properly-tuned set; ubiquitous and inexpensive. Size, weight, and cost for proper tune are drawbacks.
DLP: rivals CRT quality without space issues. expensive!
plasma: large formats that you can hang on the wall. The method used to reproduce the standard color gamut makes this display unsuitable for small rooms and close-quarters viewing.
LCD: It's cheap, light, and you can easily hang it on the wall; rapidly replacing CRT in the ubiquitous category. Unlike the other technologies, every pixel is always lit, and the crystals are not 100% opaque, leading to poor black levels. In addition, transition times between states do not happen at fixed speed--stated numbers only reflect a white-black speed, while going from one color value to another can be faster or slower.
 
I bought a Vizio 42" Plasma 1080i at CC for $800 a few months ago. Could not be happier. 360 looks amazing on the TV as well as HD broadcasts. By far one of the best purchases I have made recently.

And I did not read the whole thread but 1080i > 720p for motion intense pictures (ie Sports and video games)
 
Whee! gotta love the war of perception going on here...

Just like how I come here for info and banter about Mazda vehicles, I go to The Home Theater Forum for info and banter about AV subjects...

lol. true

Very good idea to check specific sites. Why I mentioned cnet. We can give our opinions and some might even be or 'claim' to be experts. But check with the guru sites. I love the AVSforums. There is some really good info over there. Do some research and educate your self as much as possible before pulling the trigger. Pretty big purchase.
 

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