- :
- 2001 Pro 2.0 LX
Lt. Dan said:
Fidel Castro - Cuba
- Thread starter Alejo_NIN
- Start date
- :
- 2001 Pro 2.0 LX
yeah, ok. I might be a kid compared to you, but a kid with much more wisdom alone in my 23 years than you already have.
ohh, and just to answer cause I hate your smug answers of "next", nowhere is true communism practiced.
ohh, and just to answer cause I hate your smug answers of "next", nowhere is true communism practiced.
Black_Protege_5
Member
- :
- Mazda Protege 5
*cough*ass*cough*
i still find it hilarious that back in the day, the CIA had a plot to line castro's shoes with a certain kind of powder which was supposed to make his beard fall out. The theorized that he would be much less imposing without his beard and therefore loose power. rofles.
Mr. 4500 RPM
Member
- :
- Black P5
Donas64 said:
yes i uderstand and your point is valid it isnt open to everyone but what im trying to say is that cuba isnt the super villan all the propoganda makes it seem. You probably are a cuban and know more first hand then I but ive studies the history of cuba a bit and well i find it interesting and give cuban people their right and i dont think he is all that bad. good men dont become bad over time money is what makes men go bad over time. plus i beleive that he has become more and more flexible as he got into his later years...i was just expressing the fact that people dont know their s*** yet shoot off their mouths. you can flame me for this i dont care i just know a little more about cuba then your regular ol joe american and it peev's me to see americans say ignorant stupid s*** when they dont have the worldly knowledge to back it up is all.
Apparently you're only all about people having your opinion, hmm? Income is all relative, for those of you that have never been beyond the borders. Americans love to feel sad that people make $10 (or whatever amount) a month in some other country while they sip their $6 cup of coffee. However they forget to point out that the cost of living there is also much less. For example, it's a bit expensive to live in San Francisco. Now pick a person there that is doing okay, just getting by on their salary, and transport them to a small town in Wisconsin. Suddenly they would be very well off, have a home 3 times larger or a big house on a lake, new BMW, etc. Or if you want, scale their salary down to small town Wis. level and they'll be living the same, perhaps even a bit better, than San Fran. It's a very American thing, this wanting to have so much more stuff than we really need. Y'all can't conceive of people that don't need a $30K car for one person to drive 4 blocks to pick up their $30 take out supper. There is absolutely no such place as an even society. Every single country has classes of super rich, wealthy, middle class, poor, and impoverished. That holds true in Cuba just as it does in the US.
Tourists always have more money than the locals, whether in Cuba, London, Mexico, or in South Dakota, so don't even bring that up.
The same thing with someone saying Cuba has excellent health care that the common people don't have access to. We have that same problem in the US!
Also, the entire population of Cuba is about the same size as Los Angeles County, or Mexico City. If those two cities were standalone countries would they still be better off than Cuba? I think not.
Tourists always have more money than the locals, whether in Cuba, London, Mexico, or in South Dakota, so don't even bring that up.
The same thing with someone saying Cuba has excellent health care that the common people don't have access to. We have that same problem in the US!
Also, the entire population of Cuba is about the same size as Los Angeles County, or Mexico City. If those two cities were standalone countries would they still be better off than Cuba? I think not.
Donas64 said:
Last edited:
SciFiMan said:
Dude I don't know what the heck your'e talking about people having only my opinion but I gotta say that I don't dirve a 30K car nor do I drink $6 coffee. I live a very modest life in a small town and being that I was born in a 3rd world country (Nigeria) I hate seeing when a country with great resources and potential is brought to it's knees and it's people suffer due to the selfish vision of it's leaders.
The thing that makes America great is that despite it's corrupt politicians, some inane laws and sometimes greedy attitude is that there are a lot of hardworking, good hearted determined people here who bust their butt ot make a living for themselves and their families and through their hard work are able to to live comfortably. the reason we are the richest country in the world is that our economy encourages us to earn and thrive and drive the great engine that is America.
In Cuba or my home country of Nigera both which are rich in natural resrouces, Tobacco, sugar, oil, minerals e.t.c, you can bust your butt ALL day for nothing. You will never get anything, be anything, amount to anything. Only VERY VERY few can afford to like a simple modest life.
And if you're telling me that people here don't have access to good healthcare, then I want you to tell me what all that tax money that goes out of my paycheck to help run the govt goes to. Heck Illegal immigrants get healthcare payed for by taxpayers
I never proclaimed that society should be even. There will always be the rich, middle class and poor. And as for tourists always having more money than locals, there are no facts to back that up. I may not have as much money as a rich tourist that comes to visit the states but at least my wife and I own a home and can provide for ourselves and have access to all the wonderful things the tourists have access to if we so wish where as in Cuba, a citizen would not even be ALLOWED into a high class hotel. Trust me I know. I LIVED THERE!!!!
And as for income being all relative. You have a point. Some places are just cheaper to live than others, but if you think that a cuban can get my and feed his family on an income of apporx $6 a month without suffering significant hardship and working fly-by-night jobs, you are just deluded sir. Bottom line: Cubans are getting hard working, kind, friendly, industrious people whose Govt. is screwing them over and not letting them reach their full potential my making them depend on the govt for EVERYTHING! They would be MUCH better off without communism!
SciFiMan said:
That us such baloney! If they used their natural resources wisely and gave their people a chance to excel and use their skills and do the things they excel at (Tourism, Cigar Production, Sugar production) they would do just fine. cuba does not play to it's strenghts.
Take for example the tiny principality of Monaco. They have a KICK BUTT economy, made incredible wealth for themselves and are a gem of the international community. I'm sure there are poor people there too but at least they have opportunities to make it big.The main industries that drive their economy are: Light manufacturing, banking and financial services, shipping and trade. Research and development in biotechnology and marine environments. Tourism.
Tell me cuba could not do all of that stuff and make a KILLING doing it providing a favorable climate for it's people to prosper?
Mr. 4500 RPM
Member
- :
- Black P5
the thing is not that there are or are not social classes the thing is that almost everywhere in the world there are only three classes. the super rich, the rich, and the poor. there is no even distribution of money. so before putting the economy into it think of that. this is going to be my last post in here because, not naming who so dont everyone take offense, people are narrow minded. and well as americans those people should be ashamed. i have traveled to many parts of the world and have seen poverty and lived it once when i was very young....but that is neither here nor there. the thing is that we dont 100% know what goes n in cuba, yes people think its terrible and it may be, but we dont know. we are only given biased fed information to form our ideas so before some people make silly remarks you should do a background check and read a bit. educate yourselves to become better people because is that not what the grand USA is all about? education and promise of a better life? well your doing yourself and a country a dis-service for not going along those lines. enjoy the on going flame war everyone because in the end no one will ever win 
just e-penis's will inflate/deflate.
just e-penis's will inflate/deflate.I don't see a flame war. I see discussion. Why must everything be a flame war and why do people shy away from discussion on this forum. As long as there is no malicious namecalling or ill will I think having discussions about world events is fun and intellectually stimulating.
You're right about one thing though: Education is king and people should be informed and do some digging of their own before going off half cocked!
My opinion come from having a father who is a diplomat, living as the son of a diplomat in cuba for 4 years, having cuban friends, going to a cuban church, meeting and talking with cuban people for 4 years.
Cuba is an AWESOME place. the people there do okay for themselves but I tell you let of the leash of commmunism and allowed to flourish, the cuban economy and it's people would grow and benefit so fast, it would make your head spin. Just tourism alone! They have some GOREOUS resorts over there and the landscape is just.....magical. Plus they are some of the nicest kindes people you'll ever meet. Thats all I'm tryin to say.
You're right about one thing though: Education is king and people should be informed and do some digging of their own before going off half cocked!
My opinion come from having a father who is a diplomat, living as the son of a diplomat in cuba for 4 years, having cuban friends, going to a cuban church, meeting and talking with cuban people for 4 years.
Cuba is an AWESOME place. the people there do okay for themselves but I tell you let of the leash of commmunism and allowed to flourish, the cuban economy and it's people would grow and benefit so fast, it would make your head spin. Just tourism alone! They have some GOREOUS resorts over there and the landscape is just.....magical. Plus they are some of the nicest kindes people you'll ever meet. Thats all I'm tryin to say.
RallyeRedSi
Member
- :
- 2008 Civic Si
Donas64 said:
how bout the U.S. Let of the leash of the Embargo they have on Cuba
-YellowMSP- said:
What incentive do they have to do that? Castro in case you noticed is not a big fan of the U.S. If he wants our business, he was to loosen the reigns of communism which he won't do.
If they want us to play ball, they have to play ball too. You don't get something for nothing. First rule of Diplomacy.
RallyeRedSi
Member
- :
- 2008 Civic Si
Donas64 said:
gee i wonder why since they tried to kill him many times and then place an Enbargo on Cuba, China is A communist country why not an Embargo on them too, hey don't they kill new borns to keep the population down
Look I don't pretend to have all the answers or do I pretend to be a politician but don't forget about the atrocities commited under Castro's communist regime and incidents such as the cuban missle crisis. We don't like him, he doesn't like us. We've tried to get him, he's wanted to get us. But theres some bad blood there and both parties have some reconciling to do. I don't buy the "It's all Americas fault" crap though. Thats where I draw the line.
Sorry I forgot to address China. They are a communist country but they do give their people opportunites to thrive and their economy is thriving. There is still a push to loosen the chains of Communism in China. As for the killing of the babies for population control: I think thats wrong. We can encourage them along with the world community to change their policy on that but we can't stop them from doing it. I don't know how widespread that practice is though.
I'm not afraid to say that I don't have all the Answers but there is a "blame America for everything" crowd which really gets on my nerves sometimes.
I'm not afraid to say that I don't have all the Answers but there is a "blame America for everything" crowd which really gets on my nerves sometimes.
RallyeRedSi
Member
- :
- 2008 Civic Si
Donas64 said:
hey is U.S can do business with Vietnam and China why not Cuba. The cuban Missle Crisis happend after the failed bay of Pigs attack, in which the U.S raiend Cuban exiles and said they would support them but then left them out to dry when they got to cuba, USSR feeling threatend by another Invasuion of Cuba sent Nukes to Cuba , the Cuban missle crisis was mainly between the USSR and U.S. in which the US dismantled the nukes in turkey and would not invade again and the USSR dismantle their nukes in cuba
Last edited:
