Factory Fill for MAZDA CX-5 engine, and running in.. Anyone know this stuff??

[CX-5_MAZDA]

Does anyone know for sure what MAZDA factory fill there engines with??? More to the point, the CX-5 2L Petrol engine. I wont to change my oil at 1500km and at 3000km then do the regular service intervals every 6months for longevity of the engine.

I've head people say that factory oil is mineral based for running in so only use this for a while, I've heard that MAZDA add additives for running in so don't change it, I've heard the oil is swapped straight away by the dealer so whatever they use. I've heard people also say that the engines are factory run in so don't even worry.

Anyway, According to the oil analyses of new car engines I've seen, my opinion would be to change oil early but what with??

This is from the MOBIL 1 website but it does not state MAZDA!

"Myths: You should break in your engine with conventional oil, then switch to a synthetic oil like Mobil 1�.

Reality: You can start using Mobil 1 motor oil in new vehicles at any time. In the past, engine break-in was necessary to remove any metal flashing (called swarf) or abrasive material left inside the engine after machining as well as to allow the valves and rings to "seat" properly. Today's engines are built with tighter tolerances, improved machining and under cleaner conditions compared to the engines of 10 or 20 years ago. Current engine manufacturing technology does not require a break-in engine period using petroleum-based motor oils. Below is a list of motor vehicle engines for which Mobil 1 is the manufacturer's selected factory fill:

�Acura RDX engines
�Aston Martin engines
�Bentley Vehicles engines
�Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, Escalade, XLR, XLR-V, SRX and STS and STS-V engines
�Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06 engines
�Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS engines
�Chrysler 300C SRT-8 engines
�Chevrolet Cobalt SS engines
�Dodge Charger SRT-8, and Magnum SRT-8 engines
�Holden Special Vehicles engines
�Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8 engines
�Mercedes-AMG Vehicles engines
�Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren engines
�Mitsubishi Evolution engines
�Nissan GT-R engines
�Pontiac Solstice GXP engines
�All Porsche Vehicles engines
�Saturn Ion Red Line and Saturn Sky Red Line engines
�Dodge Viper engines


Therefore, Mobil 1 is used in a car, even before you drive it off the showroom floor"

 

[MikeM.]

I'm pretty sure Mazda does not use Mobil one as the factory fill. The oil they use is probably superior. Also, Mobil one does not describe a single oil, it is a family of oils that have widely different characteristics that go far beyond simple viscosity differences.

Does anyone know for sure what MAZDA factory fill there engines with??? More to the point, the CX-5 2L Petrol engine. I wont to change my oil at 1500km and at 3000km then do the regular service intervals every 6months for longevity of the engine.

It's understandable that you want to treat your new car properly. However, changing the oil more frequently than required will not offer you any additional benefits in this regard. It's simple physics. As long as the oil maintains the necessary properties it will protect your engine and changing it sooner will offer no additional benefit. And oil change interval is designed conservatively. In other words, when the oil is changed at the specified interval, you are draining perfectly good oil unless the car has encountered unusually severe conditions or is not running properly.

I've head people say that factory oil is mineral based for running in so only use this for a while, I've heard that MAZDA add additives for running in so don't change it, I've heard the oil is swapped straight away by the dealer so whatever they use. I've heard people also say that the engines are factory run in so don't even worry.

Well, you just can't believe everything you read and hear. I think Jimi Hendrix said that.

I don't know exactly what oil Mazda uses as factory fill but you can bet that it's synthetic. It would be foolish of any dealer to swap the factory oil from the get go.

The best advice for the longevity of your engine is to follow the factory recommendations. The specifics are detailed in your owner's Manual.

Anyway, According to the oil analyses of new car engines I've seen, my opinion would be to change oil early but what with??

While it's true that an oil sample taken from an engine after break-in will show higher levels of metals and other elements, there's no need to drain early. The oil analysis is measuring elementary substances not large particles. Such analysis can be useful to determine which parts of the engine are wearing but this should not be confused with needing to change the oil early.

Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[xwedge]

I'm pretty sure Mazda does not use Mobil one as the factory fill. The oil they use is probably superior.

I understand that you're pro mazda, and so are all of us since we're on this forum, but that's a bold statement you made without any proof.

 

[erhayes]

Draining too early can be detrimental as FF often contains break-in additives and or assembly lubes to assist in proper break-in. Can you or anyone post where you heard "what people say or what the factory uses as FF" Lot of unsubstantiated rumors floating around. Ed

 

[MikeM.]

I understand that you're pro mazda, and so are all of us since we're on this forum, but that's a bold statement you made without any proof.

In the past I have been a big fan of Mobil 1. However, it's not the same oil it used to be before they started offering it in different qualities at different price points. The stuff Costco carries is the cheapest of all. I don't shop at WalMart but I imagine they would carry the same stuff. Now, "Mobil 1" is just a marketing term and the Mazda oil has higher specs. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro Mazda", yes, I do trust the recommendations of the engineers and technicians that torture tested their engines and are familiar with what their engines need to survive. I've also seen the laboratory analysis of Mazda's synthetic oils and have seen their superior results. But mostly I am no longer a fan of Mobil 1. Maybe it's good oil if you want to pay the premium for the highest spec Mobil 1 but the Mazda branded synthetic is both excellent and affordable.

 

[xtrailman]

I can't say for the Mazda, but the year 2000 Audi I bought new was definitely filled with a "special" running in oil, that's what the dealer told me, along with a limit on the engine power until 3K miles were up.

The petrol engine did used oil until the first service, but after that it never used any, as for the power increase at 3K miles I never noticed it.

 

[Chas]

I can't say for the Mazda, but the year 2000 Audi I bought new was definitely filled with a "special" running in oil, that's what the dealer told me, along with a limit on the engine power until 3K miles were up.

The petrol engine did used oil until the first service, but after that it never used any, as for the power increase at 3K miles I never noticed it.

Last time I researched this with a new Acura, in 2006, Honda advised not to change the factory fill until the MID advised an oil change (based on engine sensor input). Honda and Acura produce a monthly "ServiceNews" newsletter to the dealer techs which we had access to on Acurazine.com and one of those newsletters had an article to the techs not drain the factory fill. After about 5 minutes of running, the oil turned dark black green from the Molybdenum used in manufacturing. My point is that Mazda may have a similar requirement for factory fills. Here is a partial quote from the Acura ServiceNews, with no illustrative photos.

"At TQI [pre-delivery inspection], does the factory-fill engine oil look less
like Texas Tea and more like Oklahoma Crude?
Dont worry, theres nothing wrong with the
engine. The engine oil looks that way because of
molybdenum (thats moly for short), a special
lubricant applied by the factory to critical engine
components during assembly.
When the engine is test-run, that molybdenum
mixes with the engine oil, turning it a dark
metallic color often within the first 5 minutes of
running. And just how dark that engine oil gets
seems to vary between vehicle models, engine
types, and engine assembly plants.
Whats really important to remember here is this:
Dont change the factory-fill engine oil because it
looks dark; just make sure its at the right fluid
level. To ensure proper engine break-in, the
factory-fill engine oil needs to remain in the
engine until the first scheduled maintenance
interval."

There was a similar article advising not use anything but Mobil 1 5w30 in the then new RDX (2.3L turbo).

 

[ALafya]

My understanding is that Mazda also uses Moly in their oil, though my oil is pretty close to transparent.
I have no intention on doing an oil change before the recommended schedule. I decided to follow the 'severe conditions' because of stop-and-go traffic in my commute. For me it basically means every 4 months. I am pretty sure it would be still safe to go longer: the oil will remain perfectly good, the filter will still be far from clogged or full.

 

[CX-5_MAZDA]

Seems the general consensus so far is not to bother with changing the oil early... Anyone more 'pro-or-no' early oil change comments??

In the past I have been a big fan of Mobil 1. However, it's not the same oil it used to be before they started offering it in different qualities at different price points. The stuff Costco carries is the cheapest of all. I don't shop at WalMart but I imagine they would carry the same stuff. Now, "Mobil 1" is just a marketing term and the Mazda oil has higher specs. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro Mazda", yes, I do trust the recommendations of the engineers and technicians that torture tested their engines and are familiar with what their engines need to survive. I've also seen the laboratory analysis of Mazda's synthetic oils and have seen their superior results. But mostly I am no longer a fan of Mobil 1. Maybe it's good oil if you want to pay the premium for the highest spec Mobil 1 but the Mazda branded synthetic is both excellent and affordable.

So Mazda having there own brand of synthetic oil, do you think this is what they factory fill there engines with??? My guess though is that Mazda buy oil of the correct spec. from someone else, wack a MAZDA sticker on it and double the price.

 

[Meat]

I think I've seen at least one oil analysis that was done an a CX-5 after its first oil change. If I remember correctly the oil showed very high ppm of Molybdenum which leads me to believe that the factory fill is the Idemitsu made Mazda 0W-20.

 

[ausy]

Seems the general consensus so far is not to bother with changing the oil early... Anyone more 'pro-or-no' early oil change comments??



So Mazda having there own brand of synthetic oil, do you think this is what they factory fill there engines with??? My guess though is that Mazda buy oil of the correct spec. from someone else, wack a MAZDA sticker on it and double the price.

In Queensland Australia the genuine Mazda branded oil is a Castrol Oil . I asked the parts guy to get me a bottle of the shelf and it had Castrol on the back so i use the Castrol Edge professional 5W-30 fully synthetic which meets all the exact specifications in the owners manual. The Castrol web site claims that Mazda recommend Edge Professional for the CX5 Diesel which in Australia you can only buy from Castrol oil distributors , and yes it is much cheaper especially if you buy 20 liters at a time . It would be nice to know if Castrol produces something special for Mazda, but i would imagine that if an oil company had a superior product they would be selling it to a broader market than just Mazda.

 

[nutcracker247]

I bought the Mazda 0w20 oil with the high moly content, which is the only recommended oil to use currently. One thing very different that I noticed about this oil is, visually, it looks like brake fluid! Very interesting

 

[Chas]

So I asked the service writer about the oil when I went in to get my free starbucks card and travel mug. He said Mazda uses a synthetic blend for first fill, and either the syn blend or Mobil 1 0w20 are recommended for subsequent fills. He said do not change factory fill early.

 

[HandA]

So I asked the service writer about the oil when I went in to get my free starbucks card and travel mug. He said Mazda uses a synthetic blend for first fill, and either the syn blend or Mobil 1 0w20 are recommended for subsequent fills. He said do not change factory fill early.

I'd possibly find another service writer.

Mazda's oil is Full Synthetic, not a blend

and the manual actually recommends full synthetic (for US and Canada)

 

[Chas]

Good data! Thanks!

 

[KnurledNut]

So I asked the service writer about the oil when I went in to get my free starbucks card and travel mug. He said Mazda uses a synthetic blend for first fill, and either the syn blend or Mobil 1 0w20 are recommended for subsequent fills. He said do not change factory fill early.

Most service writers have no clue about our vehicles.

The SW at my dealership swears that the roof of the CX-5 is double walled steel to make it water proof.

 

[MikeM.]

My guess though is that Mazda buy oil of the correct spec. from someone else, wack a MAZDA sticker on it and double the price.

That's not how it works.

Mazda works closely with top tier domestic (Japan) oil refineries. Mazda branded oil is made by Idemitsu who is highly respected. Through collaboration they develop new oils to meet the needs of new engine designs. Idemitsu will sell the same oil bases to other manufactures but the additive packages and the percentage blends of the different base stocks are often tailored to meet individual manufacturers needs. Otherwise, all oils of the same viscosities and ratings would be identical. There are many different methods oil manufacturers can pass the specific tests that allow their oils to carry specific ratings and this results in oils with varying degrees of real world performance (even when they all meet or exceed the same industry specs).

 

[dad of jon]

I can't say for the Mazda, but the year 2000 Audi I bought new was definitely filled with a "special" running in oil, that's what the dealer told me, along with a limit on the engine power until 3K miles were up.

The petrol engine did used oil until the first service, but after that it never used any, as for the power increase at 3K miles I never noticed it.

the lubricant standards will have changed since then, to what I couldn't say. But my first new car needed API SE and the last time did my own oil changes they were up to API SG on my car with API SH just for the hi performance cars