Exhaust,Downpipe,Racepipe NO TUNE

i have enough money to buy a HKS Hi Power Exhaust and a Turboxs DP/RP, but dont have enough money for the stnadback or accesport, do i need a tune or will my car not function right. and one of my friends has a CEL all the time when he drives.

i also was told that your not supposed to push the car really hard..

help me out, thanks

U get the CEL for a reason! when u change to downpipe/RP etc. u need a tune! Because u change the exhaust flow so much the ECU gets wrong signals!

Only if u change the exhaust system after the cat, and som SRI/CAI u wont need a tune, but if u go further u will need it! Bad things could happen if u dont. (unamused)
 
U get the CEL for a reason! when u change to downpipe/RP etc. u need a tune! Because u change the exhaust flow so much the ECU gets wrong signals!

Only if u change the exhaust system after the cat, and som SRI/CAI u wont need a tune, but if u go further u will need it! Bad things could happen if u dont. (unamused)

My only CEL's have been directly related to the absence of the cats. Nothing else. The ECU is saying "where are your f@*king cat?" Well, there gone. The CEL is only due to expected temp being wrong, not due to flow.
 
My only CEL's have been directly related to the absence of the cats. Nothing else. The ECU is saying "where are your f@*king cat?" Well, there gone. The CEL is only due to expected temp being wrong, not due to flow.

Doesnt the ECU calculate the air/fuel mass and adjust it to the right values?
But it cant adjust so much when a downpipe and exhaust is installed, simply speaking.
 
There is no simple answer to your question, as there are too many variables. Generally speaking, the ECU does have the ability to adjust fuel trims and other parameters enough to run a good intake and a downipipe and still keep AFR's safe, although not optimal. There can be some leaning out of AFR's that can be a little concerning when under full load at higher speeds. That's why AFR's do need to be monitored in some manner.

However, in my personal experience in a warm and humid climate (south Mississippi) the ECU seems to be able to keep things reasonable and safe without a tune. In cold air in what passes for winter here, I sometimes get fuel cut (rarely), which is a built in safety feature I am willing to live with in the winter.

My most important concern is not the ECU adjustments but rather the possibility of boost creep, which is a function of the wastegate on the stock turbo not being able to bleed off all the potential boost because the wastegate port is no longer big enough to handle the extra flow from a larger catless downpipe. I can see the boost spiking to 18-19 and then being quickly dialed back and held to 16 psi under high load high speed conditions, so I conclude that under my particular driving conditions, I am not getting boost creep, only controlled boost spike, which is not unsafe.
 
There is no simple answer to your question, as there are too many variables. Generally speaking, the ECU does have the ability to adjust fuel trims and other parameters enough to run a good intake and a downipipe and still keep AFR's safe, although not optimal. There can be some leaning out of AFR's that can be a little concerning when under full load at higher speeds. That's why AFR's do need to be monitored in some manner.

However, in my personal experience in a warm and humid climate (south Mississippi) the ECU seems to be able to keep things reasonable and safe without a tune. In cold air in what passes for winter here, I sometimes get fuel cut (rarely), which is a built in safety feature I am willing to live with in the winter.

My most important concern is not the ECU adjustments but rather the possibility of boost creep, which is a function of the wastegate on the stock turbo not being able to bleed off all the potential boost because the wastegate port is no longer big enough to handle the extra flow from a larger catless downpipe. I can see the boost spiking to 18-19 and then being quickly dialed back and held to 16 psi under high load high speed conditions, so I conclude that under my particular driving conditions, I am not getting boost creep, only controlled boost spike, which is not unsafe.

Well said.. but we could both agree that when putting a downpipe/highflow exhaust/manifold for example requires a good tune too be on the safe side.

I think u are on too something about the wastegate not being abel too evacuate the increased pressure with these mods... hmmm...
 
what if you get a catted dp? would that be a little more ecu friendly?

I don't know if it's more ECU friendly. Maybe. Probably. It's pretty flexible. It probably would be more wastegate friendly, since the small amount of reduced flow due to the cat might be just enough to keep the wastegate from totally maxing out and allowing the turbo to go into an overboost condition (boost creep). It would reduce that risk.

Just one opinion.
 
hmm i only ask because i dont know if i can swing a full dyno tune and everything just yet and id rather save for that than run on ots map. With an sri, inlet, catted dp, i was hoping to just take it easy for a bit and let the car learn the trims after install without going boom.
 
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