Let us know how the SB search goes. Might wanna check some of the tuners on line; seen some decent prices for SBs--can't remember where, but AIR, PAECO had one?scorch70 said:broke soon, scorch70
No problem Josh. I do it all the time to people on this board. If I have a question I want to ask someone, I go ahead and ask them before I forget. Gettin' old sucks.Gen1GT said:Scorch, sorry for the threadjack! (jacked)
Don't worry Alex, I'll keep everyone posted. I want everyone to know what is the best gain for the money. No sense in two people making the same mistake.p5sundevil said:yah we should look into it and maybe we can include the probe/626 guys to get the amount of people we need?
Damn I still have decision to make, i would like to get alot of this work done but am still unsure as to how far i wanna go, basically plan on finishing the exhaust, header, cams and at that point decide if I wanna get into headwork and so forth, although it is technically better to have the headwork done first, flow tested and have the cams gorund accordingly i dont feel i can afford to go that way.
I also always humor the idea in the back of my head that with pay increases at work and stuff Id like to get a used evo8 or rx8 some day maybe a yr to 2 down the line.
lol, then theres the appearance and suspension work i want to do also....argh, maybe its better to do it this way, get an estimate from paeco for everything and get it done in a couple big chunks.
hmmmm
looking forward to how everything turns out for you scorch and what else everyones searches come up with.
-Alex
Hey, Alex. I, too, gotta sit down this weekend and figure out where I'm going with the car. Might seriously consider head/cam mods and a tweak or two like cam gears for final tuning.p5sundevil said:yah we should look into it and maybe we can include the probe/626 guys to get the amount of people we need?
Hey Josh, just to let you and everyone else know, Paeco didnt put my head on a flow table to build the cams. They used their previous knowledge of the fs-de 2.0 to make my cams. Just saying this to let everyone know that these cams may not be the best fit, sort of like what Twilight ended up with. We will see.Gen1GT said:Ya, you definitely need to know what you're doing to make all-motor power. You can just buy a bunch of parts and hope they all work together. Sure, the basic bolt-ons work, the cam physics, rod ratios, valvetrain dynamics etc all have to be addressed. An FS running at 8000RPM will wreak WAY more havoc on the rods than 300whp. I still think you guys need to contact a manufacturer to get some cams made. Maybe Paeco cam make more of Scorch's cams? A group buy?
Yep bigger valves on both sides. The dyno numbers may be a while in coming - Im still debating over whether to put this head on my current bottom end, or wait and build up a spare bottom and do a full engine swap. I think it will depend on how impatient I am to see how beneficial this head work is. If I go the full engine swap route, it will be at least 6 months before I have the engine in the car, maybe longer.Gen1GT said:This is awesome. You're the first one getting SERIOUS head work done. Andrew has a massaged head, but not to the extent you're getting, with the upgraded valvetrain and all.....you ended up getting the bigger valves didn't you? I can't wait to see what kind of dyno #s you get from this. Hell, I may send my head to Paeco if the results are good enough....
hehe, yeah, thats sort of what I figure too. I get impatient when i am working on something. I want to see results NOW!! and you cant always do that.Gen1GT said:So I'm thinkin after a couple months with your crazy head staring back at you, you're gonna want to swap it in.
I dont have any rods and pistons purchased actually Beau. I was really looking at the Oliver Rods and C-P pistons that you were selling in a group buy a while back. I havent decided. I think my engine builder (paeco) makes their own, so dont know if I am going to purchase from them or buy yours.MAMotorsports said:Scorch70, what rods and pistons are you running?
Where did you get your cam billets from?
What are your expected gains?scorch70 said:Hi guys, well, I am beginning engine work on my N/A build. I have been in contact with Paeco.com about having some head work done on a spare head I purchased from a forum member. Anywho, here is the cost estimate for the work I want done. Plan to deliver the head to them next weekend. So maybe 3-4 weeks later, will have it back.
Basic Head Mods --------------------------- $600.00 (consist of cleaning, porting, polishing, chamber contouring, 3-angle valve job, pocket relieving, milling, and reassembly)
Magnaflux head ------------------------------ 40.00
Pair of performance cams (exch) ------ 420.00
Bronze valve guides (installed) ---------- 256.00
Comp O.S. int valves @ $34 ea -------- 272.00
Comp O.S. exh valves @ $42 ea ------ 336.00
Inner valve springs @ $4 ea ------------- 64.00
Outer valve springs @ $8 ea ------------ 128.00
Titanium retainers @ $20 ea ------------ 320.00
Valve stem seals @ $4 ea --------------- 64.00
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Total -------------------------------------------- $2,500.00
This is really just a FYI thread to let everyone know what it cost to have this work done. Don't let anyone tell you that going NA will be cheap (I dont think anyone thought it would be, but just in case).
wallet = Ouch!
scorch70
*waits for people to flame him and tell him to go turbo instead*