Estimated cost of head work at Paeco

Man, what the %&*$? DOesn't look like that much damage, but I know
what shops charge for labor. Bad news on all points. So, assume things
are getting under control?
It just doesn't look like a salvage job... (scratch)
 
It was kind of my fault. It really only had the bent bumper. If you look closely, you can see it's pushed over to the driver's side. But I had a bit of rust on my hood, so I asked the guys at the shop, if there was any way I could score a new hood out of the insurance claim, so they went ahead and put that bent hood, and a ****** up grill on, which ended up pushing it over the $3000 mark. If I was smart, I should have taken the $3000 settlement, and got the car fixed myself. But I moved a month after the accident, and used the money to buy new furnishings, paint, supplies etc etc.

Scorch, sorry for the threadjack! (jacked)
 
scorch70 said:
broke soon, scorch70
Let us know how the SB search goes. Might wanna check some of the tuners on line; seen some decent prices for SBs--can't remember where, but AIR, PAECO had one?

As far as broke, know the feeling. Trying to squeeze out MP3 ECU and camz. Head work tempting, as you know.

Hey, Josh. Paint the house and get the Pro cherried. Yeah, I know, broke soon, like Scorch...:( or sooner.
 
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Gen1GT said:
Scorch, sorry for the threadjack! (jacked)
No problem Josh. I do it all the time to people on this board. If I have a question I want to ask someone, I go ahead and ask them before I forget. Gettin' old sucks. :)

Gino, I will ask Paeco if they happen to have a SB for me. It would save me a lot of time and effort, thats for sure. Closest one I have found on here is Mackdadam, who is parting out his whole car. But he would like to sell the whole engine, not just the bottom end. Probably should just go ahead and buy it tho, shouldnt be much price diff either way.


scorch70
 
yah we should look into it and maybe we can include the probe/626 guys to get the amount of people we need?

Damn I still have decision to make, i would like to get alot of this work done but am still unsure as to how far i wanna go, basically plan on finishing the exhaust, header, cams and at that point decide if I wanna get into headwork and so forth, although it is technically better to have the headwork done first, flow tested and have the cams gorund accordingly i dont feel i can afford to go that way.

I also always humor the idea in the back of my head that with pay increases at work and stuff Id like to get a used evo8 or rx8 some day maybe a yr to 2 down the line.

lol, then theres the appearance and suspension work i want to do also....argh, maybe its better to do it this way, get an estimate from paeco for everything and get it done in a couple big chunks.

hmmmm
looking forward to how everything turns out for you scorch and what else everyones searches come up with.
-Alex
 
p5sundevil said:
yah we should look into it and maybe we can include the probe/626 guys to get the amount of people we need?

Damn I still have decision to make, i would like to get alot of this work done but am still unsure as to how far i wanna go, basically plan on finishing the exhaust, header, cams and at that point decide if I wanna get into headwork and so forth, although it is technically better to have the headwork done first, flow tested and have the cams gorund accordingly i dont feel i can afford to go that way.

I also always humor the idea in the back of my head that with pay increases at work and stuff Id like to get a used evo8 or rx8 some day maybe a yr to 2 down the line.

lol, then theres the appearance and suspension work i want to do also....argh, maybe its better to do it this way, get an estimate from paeco for everything and get it done in a couple big chunks.

hmmmm
looking forward to how everything turns out for you scorch and what else everyones searches come up with.
-Alex
Don't worry Alex, I'll keep everyone posted. I want everyone to know what is the best gain for the money. No sense in two people making the same mistake. :)


scorch70
 
p5sundevil said:
yah we should look into it and maybe we can include the probe/626 guys to get the amount of people we need?
Hey, Alex. I, too, gotta sit down this weekend and figure out where I'm going with the car. Might seriously consider head/cam mods and a tweak or two like cam gears for final tuning.

We're talking serious large here and your idea of getting some Probe, MX-6, 626 guyz into the mix before we go back to EH makes sense. But! SO many times when you're talking GBs, a bunch pull out before it jells--especially when big bux are involved.

I've got a pair of camz held for a buy, but I might reconsider and take the entire head. That way, I can sit on the head for PnP, possibly vales/springs until budget allows and still have the cams ground for immediate install.

Too many decisions here. Like Scorch, gettin' older and have to work through it. Besides, throwing money at the all-motor project w/o thinking it through isn't good, AFAIC...

Have a good weekend, guyz. (cheers)
 
Ya, you definitely need to know what you're doing to make all-motor power. You can just buy a bunch of parts and hope they all work together. Sure, the basic bolt-ons work, the cam physics, rod ratios, valvetrain dynamics etc all have to be addressed. An FS running at 8000RPM will wreak WAY more havoc on the rods than 300whp. I still think you guys need to contact a manufacturer to get some cams made. Maybe Paeco cam make more of Scorch's cams? A group buy?
 
Gen1GT said:
Ya, you definitely need to know what you're doing to make all-motor power. You can just buy a bunch of parts and hope they all work together. Sure, the basic bolt-ons work, the cam physics, rod ratios, valvetrain dynamics etc all have to be addressed. An FS running at 8000RPM will wreak WAY more havoc on the rods than 300whp. I still think you guys need to contact a manufacturer to get some cams made. Maybe Paeco cam make more of Scorch's cams? A group buy?
Hey Josh, just to let you and everyone else know, Paeco didnt put my head on a flow table to build the cams. They used their previous knowledge of the fs-de 2.0 to make my cams. Just saying this to let everyone know that these cams may not be the best fit, sort of like what Twilight ended up with. We will see.

OT, but I checked my checking account balance today, and OUCH!! Damn, this is killing me. I sure hope I dont lose my job anytime soon. :) Not giving up though, like some traitors (Topher). j/k hehe just giving you a hard time Topher.

scorch70
 
This is awesome. You're the first one getting SERIOUS head work done. Andrew has a massaged head, but not to the extent you're getting, with the upgraded valvetrain and all.....you ended up getting the bigger valves didn't you? I can't wait to see what kind of dyno #s you get from this. Hell, I may send my head to Paeco if the results are good enough....
 
Gen1GT said:
This is awesome. You're the first one getting SERIOUS head work done. Andrew has a massaged head, but not to the extent you're getting, with the upgraded valvetrain and all.....you ended up getting the bigger valves didn't you? I can't wait to see what kind of dyno #s you get from this. Hell, I may send my head to Paeco if the results are good enough....
Yep bigger valves on both sides. The dyno numbers may be a while in coming - Im still debating over whether to put this head on my current bottom end, or wait and build up a spare bottom and do a full engine swap. I think it will depend on how impatient I am to see how beneficial this head work is. If I go the full engine swap route, it will be at least 6 months before I have the engine in the car, maybe longer. :(


scorch70
 
Hell, don't worry about 6 months. It'll be the winter anyway, and you can have the engine done by spring. I'm doing my own engine build, so I'm budgeting about a year's worth of time. I haven't even started on my spare engine yet, other than dismantling it. I still have to get the thing back on the road, then throw the headers on. I know what you mean though, it'll be kind of stressful waiting for your new engine, meanwhile the car itself isn't getting any faster. Once I start working on the engine, the state the car is in, will the the very same way until I do the swap. So I could be looking at 8 months worth of no mods on the car. All my resources will go towards the new engine. So I'm thinkin after a couple months with your crazy head staring back at you, you're gonna want to swap it in.
 
Gen1GT said:
So I'm thinkin after a couple months with your crazy head staring back at you, you're gonna want to swap it in.
hehe, yeah, thats sort of what I figure too. I get impatient when i am working on something. I want to see results NOW!! and you cant always do that.

Good luck with the build Josh. I hope nothing else comes along and de-rails our plans (like what happened to you with having to repair your car before you mod it anymore). I see a lot of guys on here losing their jobs, buying a house, or starting a business, and having to put their car back to stock and sell it. I want to see this through.


scorch70
 
Everyone, I just wanted to post a link to another head I found for sale here on the board:

EDIT: this is the correct link
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76035

Just in case anyone else is thinking about building up an engine, this would be a good start.

Disclaimer: I dont know the condition of this head, I just got a PM about it being for sale when I bought my block from Captain KRM P5.

On topic, my head work is supposed to be done mid-September, and I will drop off my short block at that time for forged rods, pistons, and maybe some work on the crankshaft.


just fyi,
scorch70
 
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MAMotorsports said:
Scorch70, what rods and pistons are you running?
Where did you get your cam billets from?
I dont have any rods and pistons purchased actually Beau. I was really looking at the Oliver Rods and C-P pistons that you were selling in a group buy a while back. I havent decided. I think my engine builder (paeco) makes their own, so dont know if I am going to purchase from them or buy yours.

As for cams, they are grinds done on stock cams. I saw that AWR had billet blanks for sale, but ended up going this route instead.

I will contact you if I decide to go with the Oliver rods and C-P pistons. Thats the way I am leaning right now, but not sure of costs for Paeco custom ones.


scorch70
 
scorch70 said:
Hi guys, well, I am beginning engine work on my N/A build. I have been in contact with Paeco.com about having some head work done on a spare head I purchased from a forum member. Anywho, here is the cost estimate for the work I want done. Plan to deliver the head to them next weekend. So maybe 3-4 weeks later, will have it back.

Basic Head Mods --------------------------- $600.00 (consist of cleaning, porting, polishing, chamber contouring, 3-angle valve job, pocket relieving, milling, and reassembly)

Magnaflux head ------------------------------ 40.00

Pair of performance cams (exch) ------ 420.00

Bronze valve guides (installed) ---------- 256.00

Comp O.S. int valves @ $34 ea -------- 272.00

Comp O.S. exh valves @ $42 ea ------ 336.00

Inner valve springs @ $4 ea ------------- 64.00

Outer valve springs @ $8 ea ------------ 128.00

Titanium retainers @ $20 ea ------------ 320.00

Valve stem seals @ $4 ea --------------- 64.00
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Total -------------------------------------------- $2,500.00

This is really just a FYI thread to let everyone know what it cost to have this work done. Don't let anyone tell you that going NA will be cheap (I dont think anyone thought it would be, but just in case).

wallet = Ouch!

scorch70
*waits for people to flame him and tell him to go turbo instead*
What are your expected gains?
 
My guess is that he's gonna run out of ECU at 130whp. Scorch, maybe you should get a stand-alone before rods/pistons? OR, try those tricks we were talking about in the other thread, like get a fuel pressure regulator, and LOWER your fuel pressure to lean it out...
 
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