Eibach vs. Espirels
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Espeliers you mean? Those are progressive rate lowering springs whereas the pro-kit is not. I have not ridden in a car with espeliers but have read many rave reviews of them. I have ridden in a car with the eibachs mated to tokico whites and thought the car handled exceptionally well
ghetto waggon
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might you have those backwards? I have the pro kit for the wagon and am fairly positive they are progessive
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- 2002 BJFW, 2007 BK3P, 1979 SA22C, 2005 BK3P
ghetto waggon said:
i know for a fact that the espeliers are progressive. it was my understanding that the pro kit was not. correct me if i am wrong.
Roywhitep5
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get sportlines
Captain KRM P5 said:
You are wrong!
Espelirs are progressive only in the rear, and linear up front. The pro-kit is progressive all around.
It is my belief that the Espelirs are better suited for our car, with linear springs bearing most of the load to provide a consistent weight transfer during hard cornering, while the rear is progressive to keep the light rear from hopping over bumps but while maintaining enough stiffness under cornering.
Either way, however, you'll have a good set of springs for the street.
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toucci said:You are wrong!
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lol, thanks
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fug the bullsheet......get the Eibachs.
yea, i read a couple of those reviews...thats what has me confused. THe drop heigh is different but in pictures, the drop of both springs look exactly the same. The linear springs of the espelirs scare me tho...but people say they offer a better ride than the eibachs.
I had the eibachs, HR's, Ground Controls, JIC's and Espelirs. WE've tested nearly all reputable suspension manufacturer's on Protege5 and sedans.
Toucci, hit it right on the money. The Eibach is progressive on all four corners so in lamen's terms your steering response is slightly delayed because the Eibach spring must compress slightly before yielding the higher spring rate and that superb turn in that most of us are looking for.
For all intensive purposes the HR's were too bouncy, the Eibachs were too slow in turn in, and the Espelirs basically produced a perfect hybrid. They made the front springs linear so as to acheive the quick turn in we so desire, understeer sucks major ballzz when barrelling into a corner. Because the majority of the weight is in the front of the vehicle there is no "bounciness" by use of a linear spring. However because there is not much weight in the rear, when running a linear spring rate there you will yield some bounce. Espelir used a progressive spring rate in the rear to alleviate this problem.
Therefore we got much better turn in without losing any ride quality. The lowering yielded the same as the eibachs even tho the specs show to be different. Eibach is kinda funny with our car.
We have since stopped carrying the HR and Eibach setup for stocking due to the great balance we found with the Espelirs. We do have Espelirs in stock and can also mate them with struts if you so desire. Throw in some camber/caster plates and OMG it's the perfect daily driver, weekend warrior.
I was not aware that Eibach produced a sportline kit for our vehicles. If they had i'm sure it would still be progressive on all fours, i could be wrong. I have never heard of this application for our cars.
If you're interested and want to decide quickly please send me an email and i will give you the price. That should make it easier.
sales@autornd.com
I am flying back to cali tomorrow, as we were in Atlantic City for the SEMA/IAS booth. We are importing a new wheel line from Japan that we debut'd here and looks like the market has taken very well to it. I will be showing the P community some new dope stuff we have been asked to bring to North America. Anyways i'm rambling cause it's late and am glad to return home. Atlantic City is soooo ghetttoooo. Can't walk around alone, scared i might get mugged by some drug dealer or prostitute. lolz....
Well talk to you soon and hope this slightly more detailed explanation helps you to understand the differences. In case you came down we were at the AME booth 1535 right in front of Mazdaspeed as usual. We had a S2K all Mugen'd and a VIP GS430 supercharged, Dumped to the ground. Both running Endless Brakes and Zeal coils of course. hehe.
I will post pics when i get them.
Thanks, Rishie
Toucci, hit it right on the money. The Eibach is progressive on all four corners so in lamen's terms your steering response is slightly delayed because the Eibach spring must compress slightly before yielding the higher spring rate and that superb turn in that most of us are looking for.
For all intensive purposes the HR's were too bouncy, the Eibachs were too slow in turn in, and the Espelirs basically produced a perfect hybrid. They made the front springs linear so as to acheive the quick turn in we so desire, understeer sucks major ballzz when barrelling into a corner. Because the majority of the weight is in the front of the vehicle there is no "bounciness" by use of a linear spring. However because there is not much weight in the rear, when running a linear spring rate there you will yield some bounce. Espelir used a progressive spring rate in the rear to alleviate this problem.
Therefore we got much better turn in without losing any ride quality. The lowering yielded the same as the eibachs even tho the specs show to be different. Eibach is kinda funny with our car.
We have since stopped carrying the HR and Eibach setup for stocking due to the great balance we found with the Espelirs. We do have Espelirs in stock and can also mate them with struts if you so desire. Throw in some camber/caster plates and OMG it's the perfect daily driver, weekend warrior.
I was not aware that Eibach produced a sportline kit for our vehicles. If they had i'm sure it would still be progressive on all fours, i could be wrong. I have never heard of this application for our cars.
If you're interested and want to decide quickly please send me an email and i will give you the price. That should make it easier.
sales@autornd.com
I am flying back to cali tomorrow, as we were in Atlantic City for the SEMA/IAS booth. We are importing a new wheel line from Japan that we debut'd here and looks like the market has taken very well to it. I will be showing the P community some new dope stuff we have been asked to bring to North America. Anyways i'm rambling cause it's late and am glad to return home. Atlantic City is soooo ghetttoooo. Can't walk around alone, scared i might get mugged by some drug dealer or prostitute. lolz....
Well talk to you soon and hope this slightly more detailed explanation helps you to understand the differences. In case you came down we were at the AME booth 1535 right in front of Mazdaspeed as usual. We had a S2K all Mugen'd and a VIP GS430 supercharged, Dumped to the ground. Both running Endless Brakes and Zeal coils of course. hehe.
I will post pics when i get them.
Thanks, Rishie
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Photos of Espelirs on a stock P5...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/chuyler1/springs/
(Please don't post them, they are big. If people want to see them they can click the link)
Some more photos of the drop after I got wheels...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/chuyler1/wheels/
The ride feels like stock when going over bumps and potholes. When you turn in, as Rishi said, the car doesn't dip or dive but instead gently adjusts to the added weight. I'm a very satisfied customer
http://www.msprotege.com/members/chuyler1/springs/
(Please don't post them, they are big. If people want to see them they can click the link)
Some more photos of the drop after I got wheels...
http://www.msprotege.com/members/chuyler1/wheels/
The ride feels like stock when going over bumps and potholes. When you turn in, as Rishi said, the car doesn't dip or dive but instead gently adjusts to the added weight. I'm a very satisfied customer
