E-Manage powered Mazdaspeed!

mazdamp3_18 said:
hey nick...

do you think the split second esc-1 would work on my car to kick it into open loop?


i dont generate boost so how would i get the unit to get my pcm to go to open loop...


should i just give up and get stand alone?
This is getting very interesting now. Alot of "companys" are claiming they can kick the ecu into open loop. Not exactly how it happens. There is a reason why they wont tell how they do it.

ANYWAY, the ESC and many other voltage clamps, modifiers whatever you want to call them do just that, modify. The ESC for example will act like the FM voltage clamp. Under boost it will allow a "closed loop like" signal to pass to the input of the ecu. Now listen up, IT DOESNT KICK ANYTHING. You cant kick the car into open loop via the lambda sensor. The "tuning" will be as if you were in open loop but as a simulation only. That way the ECU has no clue what your doing. Does it work? YUP.
I like how some people twist words around so consumers dont have a clue. They use key words to market a product. They rely on the ignorance of the individual consumer to benefit in profit. But enough of my rant.

Any time you modify the O2 signal in normal closed loop operation you will be able to modify the airflow value to your needs. The ecu will look at the MAF, TPS and rpm and adjust the fuel . WHY? because you are telling the ecu that everything is OK via the O2 sensor modification. This is what i was talking about months ago when i said that the only way to get the car to run perfectly with a piggy back is to modify ALL the parameters used to meter the fuel . NOT just one.
Glad to see some piggyback companys are including "modules" to help with the lack of output and control drivers in the circuitry;)

On another note. We can make anything work . It just needs some time to tune and calibrate it for your specific vehicle. GURU has the right idea. Overlay the maps so that the ECU sees a "comparison" in your adjustments. Then when in open loop make your duty cycle adjustments and airflow calculations to suit your needs. If you map it correctly you can get any piggy to work. It is a matter of time, wiring and proper tuning for that particular application. Honestly , i did mention to you before that i dont think you will see many gains from your stock N/A vehicle with a piggyback. BUT it may help fine tune your partial throttle and high end fuel curve. Have Guru tune the timing curve on the dyno too. He is very good at what he does.
Also a standalone is the best way to go BUT only if you have a plan for your future mods that will include strengthening your internals, Forced induction or just a N/A build that will add at least 100 WHP. It is expensive to tune and install. We will offer a plug and play but it is not for everyone. I will be honest with you. If you plan on just some minor mods then stick with the management you have now. But if plan on making it a beast i can certainly help with that. Let me know if i can help in any way.
Feel free to ask anything.
 
well my plans are to get into the low 15's N/A...

i would be more than happy with 15.3


i plan on getting cams in the next month...

well i tuned for about 1 hour again tonight only at 90-100% throttle from 4k -7k rpm..

i drove for about another hour with those settings...

then i left the car off for another 2 hours then i drove it again...

the settings stayed..... im happy but i dont want to mess with closed loop yet....

b/c i know it will adjust...

i have tuned a stand alone before... i can instal it myself.. and i can get it 80% tuned decently without a dyno...

i just dont know if a grand will be worth while on my car...

i have absolutely no plans to go the turbo route....

it is not what im looking for .. i need more linear power b/c all i do is autox and do track days... and i do not want power surges when boost starts coming on...


by the way thank you nick for helping me out with this situation...

chris
 
turboge

Well, looks like the E-manage behaved like any other piggyback, ECU still winning some fights.
Tell me, whats wrong running with the stock MSP ECU @ 10-12psi?
 
perfworks said:
Visteon is responsable for some of the electronics on all the proteges, like the BS "alarm" The tuning was done by Calloway.


That's what i had though as well.

I think maybe Callaway came up with the parameters for the ECU, but Visteon is the one who put into Mazda ECU language to get the car running. Poorly.

Then Visteon had to go back and re-work it to make it work, ok. Then they had to go back again and re-work to get the flash out to dealers.

But, I'm not postive on this one.
 
mazdamp3_18 said:
well my plans are to get into the low 15's N/A...

i would be more than happy with 15.3


i plan on getting cams in the next month...

well i tuned for about 1 hour again tonight only at 90-100% throttle from 4k -7k rpm..

i drove for about another hour with those settings...

then i left the car off for another 2 hours then i drove it again...

the settings stayed..... im happy but i dont want to mess with closed loop yet....

b/c i know it will adjust...

i have tuned a stand alone before... i can instal it myself.. and i can get it 80% tuned decently without a dyno...

i just dont know if a grand will be worth while on my car...

i have absolutely no plans to go the turbo route....

it is not what im looking for .. i need more linear power b/c all i do is autox and do track days... and i do not want power surges when boost starts coming on...


by the way thank you nick for helping me out with this situation...

chris
The problem with standalones are many. They cost alot for one, most are outdated, the fact is your stock OEM EEC-V is as good as they come. You do not need to do tons of wiring and tons of tuning. With the right piggyback you can unlock you stock ECU and tune it very easy to do what ever you need.


Thanks again

Later.........Nick
 
mazdamp3_18 said:
well my plans are to get into the low 15's N/A...

i would be more than happy with 15.3


i plan on getting cams in the next month...

well i tuned for about 1 hour again tonight only at 90-100% throttle from 4k -7k rpm..

i drove for about another hour with those settings...

then i left the car off for another 2 hours then i drove it again...

the settings stayed..... im happy but i dont want to mess with closed loop yet....

b/c i know it will adjust...

i have tuned a stand alone before... i can instal it myself.. and i can get it 80% tuned decently without a dyno...

i just dont know if a grand will be worth while on my car...

i have absolutely no plans to go the turbo route....

it is not what im looking for .. i need more linear power b/c all i do is autox and do track days... and i do not want power surges when boost starts coming on...


by the way thank you nick for helping me out with this situation...

chris
No problem man any time. I will let you know very shortly about the standalone unit we will have available. It is the "newest " of units and the most advanced software I have ever seen.
We hjave several other products in the works. Look for our posts soon.
 
StuttersC said:
That's what i had though as well.

I think maybe Callaway came up with the parameters for the ECU, but Visteon is the one who put into Mazda ECU language to get the car running. Poorly.

Then Visteon had to go back and re-work it to make it work, ok. Then they had to go back again and re-work to get the flash out to dealers.

But, I'm not postive on this one.
Yup its nice to see they would rather sub contract the work rather than take full responsability and tune there own vehicles.

Problem is the STOCK car cant take much power. I should say the engine. The car is really nice and reliable. Even the tranny is good for the most part. But it was never designed to be daily driven at higher boost levels without management..Even stiil though i have seen the engine not allow itself to over come the abuse it takes with high cylinder pressures.. It is becoming all the more revealing the more i work on these cars. That is why i push the internals issue. But every company does what this one does at some point. The new 3's i dont see having any upgraded internals either. We will see.
 
where would 0 vac occur on my car?

my main issue is that i cant tune unless its at WOT from 4k -7k..



also... does the ecu realize the changed timing and then change things to go to stock parameters?
 
mazdamp3_18 said:
where would 0 vac occur on my car?
WOT


Originally posted by mazdamp3_18
also... does the ecu realize the changed timing and then change things to go to stock parameters?

Depends on how the unit(s) are wired and the figures you impliment
 
its hard for me to tell if the timing is staying or not...

i have 5500-7000 advanced 3 degrees.. and 4k - 5k advanced 2 degrees...

i raced a 04 civic ex and on my 1-2 shift a flame shot out my exhaust.. :eek:

i dont know if that was a good thing or not
 
No that's Not a good thing..You are running Way to rich..That's Called a back Fire!

Chas
 
it would benefit much greater on an older protege due to less stringent mapping from the OBD2.. I think a set of 460cc injectors and an e-manage would compliment a GTX swap. You basically have to go from 13.5:1 on the N/A motor at WOT to 12.2:1.
 
i dont get how Terry says the emanage is fine on all cars except the MSP, but then mazdamp3_18 is having issues with his MP3..
 
turboge said:
it would benefit much greater on an older protege due to less stringent mapping from the OBD2.. I think a set of 460cc injectors and an e-manage would compliment a GTX swap. You basically have to go from 13.5:1 on the N/A motor at WOT to 12.2:1.
Thanks. Then I would need a wideband too... heh. But I gotta question if it's really worth sinking money into an old FWD scrapheap :p. Like you, I was thinking more along something AWD, or maybe RWD ;) .
 
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