Does "Under-powered" mean "Over-strained?"

Question...help, please. Got into a discussion with my brother about how little horse-power the 5 has, and he claims that it won't be long before the engine is simply over-strained and dies. He believes the issue is not just lack of passing power, etc., but the low-HP engine over-works and will have problems earlier. Any comments, please.
 
sometime I asked myself the same question about the 5's engine... but if they use the same engine on the Ford Ranger, and the mazda B pickup... I guess this engine should be good enough on the 5.
 
Your brother's full of crap. Now, one could probably expect this engine to last less long than a current-design industrial 4-liter inline 6 producing the same hp and torque, but 153 hp isn't that much for 2.3 liters, and it's not going to have a short life at all in a 5.
 
He believes the issue is not just lack of passing power, etc., but the low-HP engine over-works and will have problems earlier. Any comments, please.

There are a couple of things wrong with your brother's statement:

#1. I'm tired of people saying the 5 is underpowered! I can understand automotive journalists who just returned a 270HP Toyota Camry and then got the 5, but in real world terms, it is a very peppy car. Perhaps my judgement is clouded? My Chain of cars has been '77 Volvo 4-cyl (100hp, 3000 lbs) -> '94 Mercury Sable V6 (140Hp, 3400-ish lbs) -> '01 Toyota Echo 4-cyl (108HP, 2100 lbs). If anything, the Volvo was underpowered, but could still cruise with ease (up to about 70mph, but gearing limited fasted speeds). I have driven the 5 with 4 adults on a 2-lane highway and it passed just fine. It didn't slam you back in the seat with acceleration, but no can I've driven ever has. The only thing I can say about the 5 auto is that it's a bit lazy to down shift so it tends to drop to 3rd and build power, which could contribute to the perception of lack of power.

#2. Smaller engines are not over-strained and aren't going to wear out any faster. Generally the thing that kills an engine is heat. Lugging an engine will build heat much quicker than running at moderate to higher RPM. Granted, running any Engine at red line and especially beyond will shorten life. My old Volvo 4-cyl only had a 4-speed, so at 70 MPH, it was turning over 4000 RPM. A highway passing maneuver could see near 6000 rpm (the engine had a red line of 6200 RPM). there are many performance cars out now with an 8000+ RPM redline and motorcycles that have a 12000+ RPM redline)

My theory is that a lot of people either are listening to the journalists, are full of min-information, or are using anecdotes from many years past. The traditional American pushrod Engine tended to have a redline of 5000 or less RPM, and even running at 4000 RPM could cause pushrod flex and damage. Technology has advanced and overhead cam engines are perfectly happy running at high rpms with proper care.

Also, I suppose the practical side of me says that it makes more sense to have a small engine that you need 100% of the available of power in some situations, rather than a larger engine where you never really 'need' to use 100% of the available HP. My Toyota Echo makes due with a 1.5 L 4-banger, running in the 3000-4000 RPM range all day long and ought to be good for years to come. It may be a bit buzzy and take some 'planning' (as the journalists say) when passing on the highway, but it also returns over 30 MPG in daily city driving.
 
I had a Daewoo Matiz with an 800cc 3-cylinder engine and 5-speed transmission, now that is Underpowered. 70% of the time, with me, my wife and infant on a child seat most of the time it's adequate but with 5 passengers, I can hardly get to 5th gear and have to down shift to 1st when needed.

With just 3 of us, the Mazda5 for me has more than enough power most of the time. Consider that the biggest engine in Europe is a 2-liter, How can a more powerful 2.3-liter engine be Underpowered unless you consider that most North Americans are much heavier than the average Europeans. (naughty)
 
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ask your brother why my underpowered "overstrained" toyota previa with 301000km is still running like new
if you want to talk about underpowered, that IS the epitome of it

the 5 has plenty of power for what it is
 
Question...help, please. Got into a discussion with my brother about how little horse-power the 5 has, and he claims that it won't be long before the engine is simply over-strained and dies. He believes the issue is not just lack of passing power, etc., but the low-HP engine over-works and will have problems earlier. Any comments, please.

LOL (sorry, I know you 2 guys are related but...)

Yeah, that is a problem with 4cyl cars... but only if they were built in 1976 or before!!! That is an old story I should say, and it came after the 4cyl cars started pushing the 8 and 6 cyl cars mostly due to gas savings (197?, 198?) so a story was needed to deter the "bad 4cyl guys"

Now, especially for a Mazda5 you need more than 153HP, so you can get into a highway @ max speed of 75MPH with your 2 kids, or have that KIA Sephia eat your dust at the traffic light ;)

No worries, the engine may die for something bad but not of over-strain. As per power, my other car was a Honda (4cyl, 5MT) and believe me, this car feels better (even with a full house) :D
 
I find the Mazda 2.3 to be no less competitive than the "bulletproof" Honda 2.4 or Toyota 2.4 and I don't think the Mazda5 outweighs the Accord or Camry by that much.
 
Wow, thanks to all you folks for the comments. My buddy has a new 4 cyl. Camry and it's fine. All the comments certainly help me have confidence in the Mazd5's engine. Any other opinions would be welcome, too, but I'm convinced. Tom
 
Porsche put a 2.5 liter 4 cylinder in the 944 in the early 1980's. It is not uncommon to see them with close to 200,000 miles with no internal engine work!
 
We currently own a 1989 volvo 760 wagon. This is a big and heavy car (remember the station wagon from the national lampoon vacation movies?) and it is powered by a 4 cylinder engine which puts out 153 horses. We have had no problems with the power this car puts out. In fact, we just got back from a road trip where we had both kids in the back, and the cargo area filled to the roof with stuff. I was passing sports cars and SUVs on the highway with cruise set to 130 km/hr and the rpm were still under 3000. This car also only has 4 gears in the auto tranny.
So is the mazda5 underpowered? Nope. But by today's crazy standards, most people think that anything under a 250HP V6 won't be enough to haul groceries.
 
I don't think the mz5 will allow itself to be 'over strained'. It already has a mind of its own focused on giving you a 'zoom-zoom' experience. and will give you a 'throttle lag' if you forget youre driving a mazda5 and not just some other cars.. lol.
 
We just picked up our 07 Touring last week. Coming from a 320 hp Camaro, I thought I'd hate the 153 hp from a slightly lighter car.

But, I'm very happily surprised that the engine is pretty adequate. I can zip along and pass slower traffic just fine, locally or on the highway (we bought the car 200 miles away).

At any rate, the car's redline's at 6500. I doubt I'll come close to it in everyday driving very often. This little engine is just fine (unless you're using it to haul heavy stuff everyday, then yes...you'd need a "lazy" engine like most torque happy american pushrod engines).
 
I just laugh when people say the car is underpowered....Lets look at the 84 z28 150hp. LOL anyway... I love this car on the highway. I find myself up at 90 all the time without breaking a sweat. It will easily walk away from my subaru. I also find it to have one of the best shifting autos i have ever driven. Always seems to be in just the right gear.
 
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