Dealer Invoice for MS3

[booboom]

Thought this might be helpful to someone.

 

[coololddude]

good to see one. the buying process is still going to be exhausting as heck though.

 

[60181]

Edmunds is usually a pretty good source too. Just add in the usual .5 to 1% advertising fee as show on your sample and things should be pretty accurate.

 

[15min5k]

Is that for sport or GT?

 

[phillyb]

this is great...but this doesn't show hold back, or any cash from the factory (i doubt there is any cash on these cars, but still)
invoice is not everything people

 

[FrequentFlyer]

2% holdback.

 

[phillyb]

thank you

 

[booboom]

This one above was for the Sport.

Can you guys explain "holdback" and can I use it in negotiations?


Thank you!

 

[phillyb]

holdback is money that the dealer makes in addition to profit. it is a percentage they are guaranteed to make, so in theory, no, you can't use it to negotiate.
even if you said, "i know you have 2% holdback," they wouldn't give it to you. if you play dumb, and negotiate wisely, you will get their holdback.

 

[phillyb]

this is my advice for anyone who wants to buy a car. but only do this if you are sold on the car and are ready to purchase...

shop on the internet. email as many dealers as possible and ONLY speak to the internet department. tell them you're shopping, but want to buy a vehicle in the next few days.

FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE ON THE LOT and whether or not your car is one of them. if it's not on the lot, don't go to that dealer. they will lie, cheat and steal in order to get you to come in, just to tell you they have to dealer trade for the vehicle.

this is ok, BUT when this happens most dealers will try and charge a different price than what was quoted.

i sold cars for about 18 months.

 

[booboom]

Going in prepared. May have a buyer for the s4 tomorrow, I hope!

Thanks for all the advice.

 

[phillyb]

nice, congrats. get that s*** handled before you go to the dealership

 

[nextcar]

Edmunds is usually a pretty good source too. Just add in the usual .5 to 1% advertising fee as show on your sample and things should be pretty accurate.

there is no such thing as "advertising fee" that the buyer needs to be concerned about. it's not part of the invoice.
advertising fee is just part of doing business, and you could also include other fees such as rent, employee salaries, cost to wash cars, electricity and utilities, etc, etc. there are car dealers that try to dupe buyers into thinking that they have to pay these ad fees.

 

[xtrememps]

there is no such thing as "advertising fee" that the buyer needs to be concerned about. it's not part of the invoice.
advertising fee is just part of doing business, and you could also include other fees such as rent, employee salaries, cost to wash cars, electricity and utilities, etc, etc. there are car dealers that try to dupe buyers into thinking that they have to pay these ad fees.

Actually, it is on the invoice. Mazda charges dealerships directly on the invoices for the advertising they do in a particular region. That would be the line that says "San Diego" assessment in the picture above.

 

[xtrememps]

this is great...but this doesn't show hold back, or any cash from the factory (i doubt there is any cash on these cars, but still)
invoice is not everything people

To add to the comment about holdback there is an easy way to see about cash from factory rebates and that is on Mazda's website (duh)

 

[phillyb]

yes, but holdback has nothing to do with rebates or cash back

 

[nextcar]

Actually, it is on the invoice. Mazda charges dealerships directly on the invoices for the advertising they do in a particular region. That would be the line that says "San Diego" assessment in the picture above.

hmm, i didn't know that. not trying to doubt you, but what is the source of your information?

 

[xtrememps]

yes, but holdback has nothing to do with rebates or cash back

I know that....but someone already said it was 2% above so I didn't bother commenting on that. The rebates/cash back etc are easily determined usually by checking current promotions...however I do admit they do sometimes give dealers "secret" rebates but not often.

 

[xtrememps]

hmm, i didn't know that. not trying to doubt you, but what is the source of your information?

I know from experience in the business.

 

[dokx]

saying dealer holdback is bs...is bs

Dealer holdback does exist. Google "dealer holdback". Hrmmmm...

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html

No offense...just trying to make sure everyone is getting the information needed to get the best possible price.